we're on the set of lisa ann's
"big titted cougars."
Whew. Shocker that I would
be in a cougar movie.
what's the difference with
a cougar and a milf?
My take is,
a cougar and a milf:
Milf is supposed to be
a "mom that I'd like to fuck."
So I think that would
make you a mom, right?
I think a cougar is
the same older seductress,
But with no kids.
So I'm glad to say
I'm a cougar,
Or I'm a milf with no kids,
whatever you prefer.
I feel like if you can't
succeed in porn,
You kind of can't
succeed anywhere.
'cause it's really
not that difficult.
It's a skill we all have.
You're fucking for a living.
People are like,
"how are you the best?"
Like, um, "I showed up
on time every time."
It's pretty hard
to fail out of porn,
But it seems like
everybody does it.
My last goal
in my retirement letter
Was to write this book,
And it'll be
one year on Tuesday.
So I did reach
all of my goals.
This is it.
This is so exciting.
Whoa. Okay.
I don't want to hurt anything.
I'm gonna open it
very carefully.
Now, everyone, this is
so fucking dope.
Oh, look.
Oh!
My first two years
I was under contract
With a company called
metro home video.
And being under contract
was an ideal situation for me
Because I wanted
to feature dance.
Back then, when you were
the contract star,
They made these glamorous
posters and fliers for you,
And they gave you
as many as you wanted
To go out on the road
and use as marketing materials.
You know, in the '90's
when I started shooting,
I was unaware
that all of the movies
a contract girl shoots
Are sold to cable,
and cable was still
A very big place where
these companies made money.
Cable didn't buy interracial.
So I was unable
to do interracial
when I was under contract.
People were telling me
all day long, like,
"if you do interracial,
it's going to ruin your career.
"no one's going to hire you
as a feature dancer.
You're going
to make less money."
I don't really think we should
be choosing color of skin
Because we should be showing
everyone the sexual experiences
that we are having,
And, of course, if there's
couples that are interracial,
They might want
to watch interracial porn.
And for you to not put that
out for them, and they're
a fan of yours,
Now they have
an opinion to form.
It's a mainly-- it's, of course,
a mainly white business,
All the company owners
and the agents,
And they all are
secretly racist.
So they all tell these girls
not to do this.
And then I'm the one
telling these girls,
"I've done more interracial than
regular scenes, and I'm good."
But it's a fear factor
for a young girl,
And of course, when you look up
to your agent, he's been
teaching you things,
You're gonna
believe what he says.
Then when they finally do
do interracial,
When they're not getting enough
work doing other things,
They get paid more money for it.
Going to the post office myself.
'cause I want you all
to get your books.
And I want you to enjoy them.
And I want to hear
book reports, essays.
So, if you want to put
the boxes just down,
And I'll put 'em in.
I'll just have you photograph
me putting 'em in here.
Oh, shit. I just took a photo.
--of nothing.
How many do you think
I can put in at a time?
More than that.
Don't jam it up.
Don't jam it up.
These boxes took some getting
used to making, you know
what I mean?
Like, the first ten, there's
so much tape on them.
Then I got a system going,
you know.
What does that mean?
Is it stuck?
Is it full?
What do we do now?
Is there another one?
Yeah, the "paylin" movie
pretty much single-handedly
changed my entire life.
So I have fans coming in
not because they're porn fans,
Just 'cause they
thought that was hysterical.
I have people that, like,
walk up to me now places,
And they're like, "right on,"
you know, "that was funny."
So it's just--
it broke a barrier for me.
did you expect it
when you first shot it?
Did you think
it was gonna go...
That big? No.
2008 I was on set
shooting a movie,
And during my downtime
I was checking my messages,
And it was drew from hustler,
and drew said, "hey,
"we want to shoot a movie
about sarah palin,
And we want to call it
"nailin' paylin."
"who's nailin' paylin?"
which I thought was
a great name.
We want to use you,
you're perfect for it.
This is gonna kind of
be a big deal.
Privyet.
We hate to trouble you,
But I'm afraid
we have a flat tire.
We were wondering
if we could use your phone
to call the kremlin.
Oh, I'm sorry, fellas,
I don't speak russian.
Kremlin. It means...
-How you say?
-Tow truck.
Well, in the spirit
of foreign relations,
I'm sure there's no harm in me
letting the two of you in.
Come on in.
You know, the business
lashed out at me.
Girls thought
I stole that scene
Because someone else got
the phone call at my agency,
But I insisted I did it.
It was really weird
how when you get popular,
People who were
nice to you last week
Just, like, venomously hate you
And are talking about you
behind your back.
And at that point I realized,
"okay, well,
I'm gonna have this,
"this is gonna keep me
incredibly busy.
"fuck all these people.
"I'm gonna be able
to charge more money.
"they already hate me.
I know my value.
I know what I'm selling.
I know what I'm doing."
When I went to strip clubs,
I now had
An older audience,
a younger audience,
A political audience,
a gay audience,
Male audience, female audience.
My range was so incredible,
People walked up to me
everywhere and they're like,
"it's that sarah palin girl.
It's that sarah palin girl."
It was like, "this is it.
This next four or five years
Could set up the rest
of my fucking life."
Like, it's go time.
We're gonna be on the road
every weekend.
We're gonna do
47 weekends a year.
We're gonna do
crazy personal appearances.
We're gonna do tons of pr.
Everyone was offering me
these opportunities, you know?
I remember getting invited
to go to a couple good nude
movie premieres,
Getting to go to some events.
Those are great
photo opportunities for me.
And I knew that that is
the way to stay relevant,
To brand yourself
to different fans,
And to get yourself going
out there in a social scene,
In a different light
with your clothes on.
The more gigs I could do
Where it wasn't just about me
fucking or being naked,
The more I could
cross-pollinate
And start to get into what was
gonna be my reality one day,
Being dressed.
All these shows are on sirius,
so sirius will hit me up,
And one of the shows
will hit me up and say,
"hey, so and so's coming
through. Can you make it over?"
'cause they know
I'm that close.
So I just get a shower,
get dressed and go over.
These are opportunities for me
that are priceless, right?
And everyone just treats me
like, I'm part of the family
'cause I work there,
And I have my own name badges,
and they don't have to worry
about security at all.
And I feel like
this little job
Has become the biggest
opportunity of my life.
Okay. I'm gonna put this
plan in motion.
It's gonna be a one-year plan.
I'm gonna produce
this many movies
So I have this much content
for my web site once I retire.
I was starting
to plant the seeds
that I wanted a sports show.
I was already working for sirius
at that time out here in la
Doing a very fun, sexy show
called "stripper town."
And by September 9th, 2013,
I started my very
first show with sirius.
"lisa ann does fantasy." it was
my very first sports show.
You know, I said
to my girlfriend today, I was
explaining this to her,
And I said, "you know,
you have kids and I don't.
It's like being a proud parent.
"when you're watching fantasy
and one of your players does
what you expected,
"or even more
than you expected,
You feel like a proud parent."
if a girl wants to get
into the adult business now,
What do you tell her?
Um, I'd talk with her
about why.
You know, is she getting into
the business 'cause she wants
to explore herself sexually?
She feels that she is more
unique than someone else?
Is she just
a paycheck performer?
If so, what is she looking
to do, big picture?
Because some girls think,
you know,
"I'm gonna work for a year
or two and make some money
And put it aside and then
I'll do something else."
And I'm like, "yeah, you're not
doing something else.
You're gonna have at any
other job, someone's gonna
know what you've done."
You have to be done with
the business before the business
is done with you.
And, to many people,
I've seen the business
be done with them
before they were ready,
And it's devastating.
Since I retired,
I made a promise
That I would read
at least one book a week.
And I feel like my brain
was starting to go to mush
Because it was so easy to be
the most successful porn star
in the business
Because all I had to do
was follow some really
basic instructions.
I don't think I could ever
walk away from being
lisa ann the porn star.
I don't think there's a country
that I could move to
Where it would be possible.
I have to accept
that what I put out there,
And the amount of years
that I put it out there,
And the willingness
that I put it out there,
There's something to accept
in return for the security
that I've given myself,
The way that I've been able
to live, the adventures
that I've had.
The sidebar is, sure,
everyone knows who I am,
And everyone feels
comfortable to approach me.
You gotta understand something.
There's a comfort when a guy
sees me that's much different
Than when he sees a football
player or basketball player.
He has masturbated to me.
When he looks at me,
and we make eye contact,
And that twinkle happens,
and he remembers
all those moments,
It's a feeling,
it's an adrenaline rush,
It's a thing, right?
I have to be so aware
that I put it out there.
Who would I be to say,
"no, I don't want any of you
to talk about this anymore.
I want this to go away.
I'm no longer her."
I'm still her.
I was naked.
There's no shield
I was wearing that
covered me from being me.
And I used my real name,
so, you know.
I am in porn, yes,
But I'm also in
the transgender industry,
Which is a very small niche.
So in order for one to be able
to excel and have an exit plan,
You have to produce,
you have to direct.
You have to take control
of your own brand
And be able to dictate
your own future.
So, with that said,
that's why I've worked so hard
To get these accolades
and be able to brand myself
As a top performer.
And eventually
be able to develop
my own modeling agency,
And get in and get out, right?
And have a family of my own.
So, I'm 25 now,
So I got a couple
more years to go
Before I definitely want
to have children of my own.
if I had my life to live over...
it's out of the question.
Oh, I know.
But I'm just saying, if I did
have my life to live over--
What would you do?
I would live a life filled...
Engulfed...
Consumed...
By lust.
-You would?
-Yes.
Engulfed?
Consumed.
With lust?
Yes.
What the hell, why not?
There's little enough
to do around here.
It'll break the monotony.
Oh, can I?
Just for a short time.
Agreed.
I'll be watching you.
As soon as I feel
that you've had enough,
I'll call you back,
and no nonsense.
Oh, agreed.
When can I start?
Now.
Just walk through that door.
I was ready for anything
by the time I went to new york.
I signed on to do the commissary
for "devil in miss jones."
So when I went up there to get
the money to buy the food,
Jerry says,
"I got a guy coming in to read
for the devil in this film.
"would you mind
reading opposite him?
"have you ever had
any acting experience?"
I said, "oh, yes."
I was an actress.
"I'm an actress."
And he said, "would you mind
reading with him?"
"of course not."
so I sat down,
we read the scene.
And I'm chewing up the script,
You know, I'm having
a great time with this.
And after the guy leaves,
He leans over,
he said,
"would you like
to play the role?"
A lead role in a real movie?
Well, I guess so.
I said, "can I cook too?"
he said, "yeah."
He said, "I'll pay you
100 a day for acting,
And 45 a day to cook."
That was a killing for us
in those days, let me tell you.
So we went toddling out
to some place in new jersey.
And so help me, your honor,
I think it was new jersey.
It could have been new york.
I have no idea where it was.
It was a big old deserted farm,
with a big old barn.
And they moved the film
equipment into the barn,
And we lived in the barn,
and we shot in the barn,
And we got in the cars
and we went home.
And that's how I did
"the devil in miss jones."
I have no idea why
"the devil in miss jones,"
A fuck film, let's face it,
a porno, a pornographic film,
Resonated as it did
With such a great range of
american society of that time.
But for some reason, boy,
it just splashed over
Into something that judith crist
dubbed "porn chic."
If you touch me, I can get off.
We'll get off together.
If you just...
Just put your cock in me.
Would you like to put
your cock in me?
Then we can get off.
people were going as couples
To see hardcore
pornographic films,
To see sex films.
I mean, nice couples.
At the time, I had no idea
that anyone I knew,
Much less anyone that
I was related to
Would ever see this film.
And, um, they did.
And I had to say,
"yeah, that was me."
"yes, brother dear,
that was your sister."
It was a moment of truth
in my life.
And I said,
"how's mom taking it?"
And he said,
"well, you know mom.
She rolls with any punch
that comes her way,"
And she did, you know.
Uh, she never said
"I forgive you."
But she almost said,
"I understand" before she died.
I didn't exactly
exit the business.
The business
kind of exited me.
Every film I made was the last
film I was ever gonna do.
I never sought out the films.
People would call me and ask me
if I would work, if I was busy.
And I usually would say,
"well, I don't really want to,
but okay, one more."
So I got this very good job,
and it was a nine-to-five job
And took up my time.
Now and then I would
get a call to do a film,
And I would take
a week's vacation
And run off and do a film.
And one day, my boss
called me in and said,
"are you going off
to do one of those films?"
And I said, "well, yeah."
He said, "it's been brought
to my attention
"that some of the board
of directors are aware
That you have done
some of these films."
And I said, "this is
the last one, I promise."
He said, "oh, okay.
I'll tell them that."
And it was.
I don't know what
today's adult films are.
I presume
it's all on the web.
Or on video tape
or cassettes or some media.
I doubt if there are
what we used to call
the "stroke houses"
Around anymore.
You know, when you bought
the popcorn box
And took the bottom out
and dumped the popcorn.
Or you brought a top hat.
By and large,
it's been a delightful trip.
I now and then
get the feeling,
Yeah, there's probably a big
waterfall somewhere
There in the distance.
I can kind of hear it
rumbling now and then,
But what am I gonna
do about it?
The things I am
most grateful for
Are having met
the love of my life--
Not everybody gets to do that--
And having not only met
the love of my life,
Having him feel
the same way about me,
So that we could
build a life together
In this absolutely
delightful little paradise
That we get to call home,
Here under the glorious
hollywood sign.
In my world-- I'm also
a psychic reader for a living--
So, we don't have time lines
Because time is infinite
in my world.
So there's no exit or entrance.
It's just all a big giant
conglomeration of joy and love.
So, no, I don't have
an answer to that question.
But I plan to dance, perform,
Dance with snakes and play,
until I feel
That my heart tells me
to do something different.
So, it could be infinite,
It could be tomorrow,
it could be yesterday,
It could be
five years from now,
It could be a month.
Oh, see? Darren james.
Right now we have
a beautiful lady.
Back up a little bit
and take a look at her.
Look at this body.
What's your name?
-Lara.
-Lara.
What's your age?
Um, 19?
19. I like that.
and hiv scare has reportedly
shut down the porn industry
After darren james
contracted the virus
After returning to the us,
after filming in brazil.
it was discovered
that three actresses
Who had worked with james
shortly after his return
To the United States
a week later, he turned up
at a san diego county hospital
Recovering from
an apparent suicide attempt.
he's a middle-aged
black porn actor
Who wanted to be a policeman.
this is not going to be
a tragedy for me.
It's a beginning.
You got a reason to be here.
You're gonna have
to figure that out.
I guess I was too old
and ugly to die,
But I've survived,
and I came back.
I'm from detroit.
And I started years ago,
the United States navy, 1982.
Being a seabee, it taught me
a lot about... Team,
Just being a team.
Tours all over the world.
And when I was in puerto rico,
I met some navy seals
At the time,
'cause we had a training camp
right next to those guys.
And those guys
just broke me in.
I mean, they educated me
about myself, my life.
It was like a brotherhood.
And it taught me something.
Far as where I'm at now,
it's like...
I can't leave my brothers
that were in the porn
industry behind.
That's why I speak about,
you know,
Being with the condoms issue
and everything else.
And just trying my best
to back these guys up.
Congratulations, recruit.
-Good job.
-Thank you, sir.
Congratulations, recruit.
Thank you.
Good job.
Mmm.
Then, when you get on
the outside, it's like,
"wait a minute.
"this was reality.
I need a job."
I fell into the porn industry
And it was just
one gig after another.
Around the time
when I was working,
I couldn't recall
if I got it there.
I couldn't even tell you if
I got it before I left.
We just don't know
'cause I worked so much
At that period of time
when I was infected.
But I remember I wasn't feeling
as hot when I got to brazil
At this one particular
time I was working.
We were doing a huge orgy.
It was probably my
second orgy when I got there.
I was so tired and exhausted.
I thought it was
just I was overworked.
Learning how this virus works,
That's probably at the time
where I was probably infected
And didn't even know.
It's hard to conclude
and come to a conclusion
Where I got it.
That's the problem.
That's the gray area.
I just-- you know,
if I had a condom,
This probably
wouldn't have happened.
Period. This probably
wouldn't have happened.
You know, I'm not thinking
this stuff would ever happen.
The porn industry, this would
never-- I would never get this.
But the way my
career ended was
My family was in the church.
I get diagnosed, same time,
It's all over
the news in detroit.
So people
finding out right there.
But for some reason,
The church
was smart enough--
I haven't seen these
people in years--
Now keep in mind,
I was gone for years.
I've been gone from home,
And these people
protected me even then.
They stood up for me
even then.
I didn't know
till I heard later.
They stood up by me even then.
If it wasn't for the individuals
I've met in my past,
I still had that memory, like,
all these navy seals that I met
Or military guys that I met
that did martial arts.
They groomed me.
I just brought that back.
Brought that back home
and just got off my ass.
Got off the couch one day.
Get back in the gym.
'cause, you know, I can't
help nobody if I ain't
helping myself.
'cause being a public speaker,
you gotta be able to back up
what you're preaching.
You know, they don't want
to look at somebody
that's all falling apart,
Typical stigma
of being a positive.
"oh, this guy looks sickly."
fuck that.
You know, I gotta do it, man.
You gotta get out
and do something.
You know? And keep giving.
As much as I can
while I still got time
on the clock.
And I got a lot more work
to do. You know?
Who knows?
Maybe somebody will see me,
And just do the same to help
somebody else, that's all.
-Help, that bar?
-Yup.
Rich piano showed me that.
Just do the quick shit.
a lot of times when
you've diagnosed,
People, you know,
we get in denial.
I've been there.
You don't wanna do nothing.
Ah, just give up.
You can't.
Just like cancer, any kind
of illness that you get,
Man, you gotta get up
and move on.
You get better by doing
something for yourself,
you know?
I'll tell anybody else,
we all survivors
when it comes to this.
You know, this is not
gonna be a tragedy for me.
It's a beginning.
I regret that
I didn't get out at the time
when I was supposed to.
'cause there was one period
I did get out. I quit.
I just didn't want to do it.
You know, my morals kicked in.
And then somebody called me back
with a decent budget.
And we could probably
get you in a contract.
I jumped on it.
I should have got out.
That's what I regret.
I didn't make that move.
Far as anything else, I miss
the travels and the people.
Behind the scenes, the crew.
You know, I met some really
interesting people that
opened my eyes.
There is good people
in the industry.
There is a lot
of good people.
But you can't talk, you know?
You go against
the grain, you're out.
That was their income.
Like anybody else, we're
all making a living.
But being able to stand up
against that,
The first one in history
to stand up against...
I think to go so hardcore
against the industry,
To show that they had some
things that were wrong
and then address it...
I don't regret that.
Because you can't save
everybody, but I can try.
They're not gonna like it,
but I'll keep trying.
In california, there is
a push right now,
Primarily from one organization,
To try and force performers
to wear condoms
Amongst other safety gear,
at all times.
And the truth of the matter is
There are negative
effects of condoms.
But we're not allowed
to talk about them
Because it's so difficult
to get people to use them
in the first place.
You can imagine that's not
a very popular topic.
The truth of the matter is
when people use condoms,
As compared
to not using condoms,
It's been tested with people
within the same partner,
That condom use does
increase the presence
Of three different types
of bacteria, at least,
in the vagina,
And also causes erythema,
or a reddening in the vulva,
Which is consistent
with more tearing.
So if the performers
are testing,
And they know
that they're clean,
By using condoms,
they're probably
Increasing their risk
of bacterial infection.
So they actually have a really
good ground to argue against
The use of condoms,
especially in the context,
In the way that
they're using them.
Because there is some associated
increased risk with it.
However, you can
imagine the knee-jerk
To that kind of response.
Especially, you know, I work
with a lot of hiv researchers.
We do not want
to have this conversation.
Just because it's so difficult
to get people who aren't being
tested like the performers are
To use condoms
in the first place.
We would hate
to discourage their use
Amongst those type of folks.
But I think amongst performers,
It's probably very reasonable
to let them make that decision.
This painting is the quickest
painting I've ever done.
My boyfriend and I were--
You know how you get in
little spats, little fights?
We were fighting
and I went to bed,
And I couldn't sleep.
I was furious with him.
And I got up, it was
three o'clock in the morning,
And I came down and I grabbed
my biggest canvas that I had,
And just let it all out.
That's how most
of my paintings go.
You know, I don't have any
training, it's just what I feel.
So, this one
is called "mad love."
And it's actually
one of my favorites.
Grr. Arf. Arf.
Give it up.
I'm originally from
rockford, illinois.
And there are two things
that came out of rockford
that are famous.
Cheap trick, and ginger lynn.
Porn, it had gone from
the place where
You sat in a theater
in your raincoat and jerked off
To you bought a vcr, and you
got a ginger lynn movie.
I was one of the first girls
That didn't look like
I did what I did.
I became
so well known so quickly.
A lot of mainstream actors
knew who I was.
They were as excited to meet me
as I was to meet them.
I was, you know,
their first porn.
- In the '80s when it was cool to be a porn star...
-yeah.
...And celebrities
wanted to meet you,
I went to lunch
with my attorney,
And milton berle...
I'm 21 years old,
I'm sitting in
this old hollywood,
Dark wood,
red leather seat restaurant,
And I'm in between
my attorney and milton berle,
And milton berle unzips his
pants and whips his dick out.
Just whips it right out
in the restaurant
Right in front of me.
And I'm trying
to maintain eye contact,
But it's very difficult.
I kept looking down at it.
He never tried anything,
didn't try to touch me,
Didn't play with it,
he just whipped it out
And let it hang the whole
dinner-- the whole lunch.
are the stories true?
Oh, it's huge! It's huge!
He would give john holmes
a run for the money.
Big, huge, honkin' dick.
I started my adult film career
December 9th, 1983.
I turned 21 five days later
on December 14th.
I filmed until
February 11th 1986.
But the thing I remember
about that last day--
It was a couple weeks
before I quit,
I woke up,
And most days I would
wake up and go,
"yes! I'm going to have
sex with this person today!
"I'm gonna fuck that person,
eat this pussy,"
And I would be so excited.
I woke up this
one particular morning
And I said to myself,
I don't want to fuck today.
I'm done."
So, I was under contract
with vivid video at the time.
I went into vivid and said,
you know,
I talked to the owner and said,
"my head's not in the right
place and I can't do this."
He said, "cool, I understand.
"is there any way
that you could finish
"your last two
films under contract?"
And I said yes.
And February 11th,
I came home,
And my boyfriend
had taken our bathtub
And filled it with gallons
and gallons and gallons of milk
And white rose petals.
And I had a cleansing bath that
I was done with the business.
And there was something
really romantic about that.
It was like,
it really was a cleansing.
And not that there's anything
bad about what I did,
But I was moving on
to another phase of my life.
When I quit, I didn't think
about the big picture.
What am I gonna do next?
I owned a house
in beverly hills.
I had a mortgage to pay.
I guess I would say yes,
I did always want to be in
the entertainment business
Without really realizing it.
And I am now.
So I broke into
the mainstream arena.
I worked on dozens of films.
I've got a new film coming out
called "lost souls."
-Oh, wow.
-Should be out for Halloween.
Another film.
I have a very small role in
the coen brothers new film
"the big lebowski."
-What else?
-Oh, wow.
"wing commander: Prophecy"
with mark hamill
will be out for christmas.
And "god's lonely man"
with justine bateman
will be out soon.
Wow!
This is gonna sound awful.
I was having really shitty sex.
I couldn't find a lover
that could satisfy me
To save my life for years.
I just wanted
to get fucked good.
I just really wanted--
I wanted to have sex with girls.
I wanted to get fucked by boys.
I wanted to--
I wanted good sex.
So I went to vivid,
I went to wicked,
And I went to vca,
and made exorbitant requests.
Making a comeback,
this is what I want.
Get all three of the companies,
made me an offer,
And I decided
to go with vca.
And there's a film I did
called "taken."
The director was veronica hart.
She came to me and she said,
"ginger, you know, I just don't
think this is gonna happen.
"and I think you're the only
actress that can pull this off.
"I want to make it into a porn,
And I want you
to be the star in it."
I won best actress for
that film that year.
And it's the only
best actress award I've won
that I thought I deserved.
I'd become an actress.
A lot of people
that get into porn,
There is no life after porn.
They don't know
what to do with themselves.
And if you're known as
a sex object your whole life
And sex is all you know,
Where do you go?
How do you apply for a job?
You know, I've been fucking
on film for the last 30 years?
And it's important that you
think about your future.
You think about what's
going to happen afterwards.
I've been really lucky with--
You know,
I started three web sites
As well as doing my paintings
And everything,
I have my auction site.
Ginger lynn auctions dot com,
ginger lynn dot com,
And my art site, which is
ginger lynn art dot com.
So I've always got a lot
of different eggs in the basket
And things to fall back on.
'cause it scares me.
You know, I don't want to be 60
And have nothing to show
what I've worked for.
I did a half-a-dozen films
in, like, 2005.
I wouldn't recommend anybody
get into the business today.
I just wouldn't.
It's changed so much.
I had been cast on a film,
And there was somebody else
doing a scene before me,
Very famous, very well known
actress in the business,
Good friend of mine.
And she was
sitting on the sofa,
And there was her costar
on the other end of the sofa.
This is before filming.
I used to get in trouble
on every single set.
Once my makeup was done,
I'm on you.
I'd be sucking your dick,
I'd be kissing you, you know,
And then have to redo my makeup.
I'd get in trouble all the time
because I wanted to be there.
These two people sat
on opposite ends of the sofa
on their phones.
And then they called, you know,
"we're ready for you on set,"
and they just went and fucked.
There was no connection,
no nothing.
Sex is such
an intimate thing, for me,
That I have to like you
to fuck you.
I have to want
to be with you.
I want that buildup,
that anticipation,
That "I can't wait."
you know?
If you're in an industry
that's that intimate,
You need to love
what you're doing.
I always have said
If you call me a whore,
I'll, like, want to punch you.
You can call me
a slut all day long.
I like to fuck, and I've
fucked a lot of people.
But I've never been a whore.
And if I worked at mcdonald's
and didn't like it,
I'd be a whore.
It doesn't necessarily
have to do with sex.
Doing something
you don't want to for money
is a whore in my opinion.
A lot of the women
in the adult film industry
Completely separate their porn
lives from their personal lives.
They don't mix,
they have different names.
And they turn their porn star
on and off as needed.
What I've chosen to do--
I don't know if I chose it
or it just happened--
Is I brought ginger--
ginger lynn allen-- to the set.
Everything that you see me
do on film is me.
My energy, my bubbles,
my enthusiasm.
That's who I am. There is no
ginger lynn and ginger allen.
They're the same person.
I have porn star tourette's.
I say things I shouldn't say
when I shouldn't say them.
I own every choice
that I've ever made.
I'm not ashamed
of anything I've done.
I have lived
an amazing life.
I have absolutely no regrets.
And I like ginger lynn.
And I like ginger allen.
Because they're the same person.
Um, I got in because I wanted
to try something new.
'cause, you know, I'm just,
like, a college student.
Going to classes, working.
That whole, like, life,
trying to barely live.
And so I was like,
"yeah, I'm gonna do porn.
"I like sex.
Why not? Fuck it."
So I got into it,
And like, I really
love it so far.
I'm still in school, you know.
My major is business,
So once I graduate I'm gonna
go into real estate.
So if I'm still doing porn then,
like, yeah, whatever, side job.
But like, you know.
That's what I'm, like,
going in for right now.
I'm johnnie keyes, man.
Who are you?
are we in heaven?
Baby, you're in the back seat
of a cadillac brougham.
That's as close to heaven
as you're gonna get.
the most happiest
I am on this planet:
Hugging my son or granddaughter,
singing jazz,
And getting all
the pussy I can get.
That's it.
I was raised
during the '40s and '50s
When this country
was a different place,
When the italians
used to call me a "jig,"
Which is
the guy dancing, right?
I was raised in the ghetto,
where poor people was, right?
You know. Catholic school,
all that.
But I always
wanted to be a singer.
a-one, two,
a-one, two, three, four
I was always singing on
the corner with my boys,
You know, doing copies
of all the hit music,
Little richard
and all those guys.
I'm the only
other one you see
gotta give it a chance
to rock her world tonight
ow-woo!
I was a happy teenager except
when I was at home, all right.
When I turned 16 years old,
I packed my shit and I left,
To get out of that situation.
My dad was alcoholic. He used
to beat women and beat me,
And I had to get out of that.
Hmm.
and...
And it's like,
this motherfucker, my dad,
He fucking didn't
know what love was.
He didn't know
about that, you know?
And I can't blame him
'cause how he was raised.
He was raised during slavery.
I can understand that.
But I couldn't understand
how could he beat his boy?
How could he beat
his fucking son?
And I said, "I gotta go.
I gotta get out of here,"
So I left home.
Geez, can I get
a napkin? Fuck.
You know, every time I talk
about that, it fucks me up.
I had to leave. I got out.
So, I joined the army,
And I became
the boxing champion,
The lightweight
champion of the world.
The United States army
sent me to 37 countries.
And all I did was
kick ass and take names
'cause I had a lot of anger.
And so when I would get in
the ring with another opponent,
He had no chance.
When I got
into the "green door."
I got in
the "green door" like
I stumbled over it
backwards falling, right?
"the green door,"
when I did that movie.
Now, when the people came
to me with the "green door,"
So we went down there. It was
the mitchell brothers theatre
Who produced the "green door."
I went down there, I did
the audition and everything.
And then when they came
back to me, they said,
"well, listen man,
we're making an erotic film."
I went, "what do you
mean, erotic?"
"a fuck movie."
I go, "oh, yeah. Okay, cool."
Jim mitchell, art mitchell,
they're upstairs,
Over at the o'farrell theatre.
They go, "johnnie,
"you're gonna be
the man behind the door,
And you're gonna
have a sex scene
with marilyn chambers."
So, I go, "okay. All right."
So, they bring me
out at the end.
She's 20 years old,
looking like a little
fresh white flower, right?
I'm going, "yeah, right."
Now, come the day
of the shoot, right,
And the mitchell brothers had
a whole other thing set up.
I said, "hold it, man."
Being a thespian myself,
I go, "hold it.
"here's what I'm gonna do.
Here's how I'm gonna
do the shot.
"I'm gonna have my
african necklace on, right,
"and when I walk
from behind the green door,
"there's women there
and they're trying to touch me,
But I'm not gonna let them
touch me 'cause I'm focused."
And marilyn chambers is
lying out there like this.
My eye is focused on that
muffin, right? You know
what I'm saying?
So, I'm looking at that.
And now, when we start
doing the sex scene,
I eat her pussy, and then
I start fucking her, right?
But being an athlete,
I fucked marilyn for 43 minutes
without stopping,
And the last time she came,
she fainted.
And I'm looking
down at this woman,
Her eyes rolled in
the back of her head,
And I went,
"what the hell?
"I done killed a white woman,
I'm going to jail.
I killed a white woman with
my dick! What the fuck?"
This is what's going on
in my brain
As I'm looking down at her,
And she's like...
"eh," right?
So, they said, "okay, johnnie.
"get back up off the pussy
and walk back through
the green door."
They pick marilyn up
and bring her over on the side
And put smelling salts
in her nose and shit
to bring her around.
I bend down, I go,
"marilyn, are you all right?"
And she looked at me, she goes,
"oh, johnnie, oh..."
she says, "oh, johnnie." I go...
I go, "what happened?"
she says, "I don't know."
She says, "I came and then
I went somewhere."
And I go, "jesus christ!"
So now, I'm back on broadway
doing "jesus christ superstar."
I get a call.
"hey, johnnie, what's up?
"how you doing? Yeah."
from the mitchell brothers.
They say, "you know
you're the star of this movie."
I go, "what you talking
about, man?"
I said, "I'm in theater,
I'm doing legitimate theater.
I'm not no porno star."
They go,
"yes, you are."
I go, "what are
you talking about?"
They go, "we got a $50,000 check
waiting for you,
"and you gotta go
to cannes film festival
Because they're
dying to meet you."
And I went, "how much?
50,000? Okay."
So that made the myth of
the black dude with the big dick
In white society,
it made it real.
It made it real for society,
and they went, "what?"
I get off the plane, man,
And women are throwing
their panties and their keys,
And everything. "oh, johnnie!"
Our pavilion was
going 24 hours.
Everybody was staying
open like, eight hours.
"the green door"
was going 24/7.
So I get the award for
the best erotic film ever shot
And all that stuff.
And I come back home
to the United States,
And I figure that's it, right?
I figure, "okay,
I'm finished with that."
But then all
this stuff happened.
They want me
to come to new york,
They want me
to come to detroit
To do all these openings
for "the green door"
Where I'm sitting
and signing autographs.
That whole deal, right?
That was cool.
Then after that me and marilyn
did two more movies together.
"inside marilyn chambers,"
And her
"resurrection of eve."
Later on, when I used to go
to the erotic film awards,
All the brothers would see me,
they'd go like this.
'cause if it weren't for me,
they wouldn't be there.
I opened the door for them.
Which was cool.
At the time I didn't
know what I was doing.
I was just
doing what I was doing.
I was doing this shot
for the mitchell brothers
In a theater
down on market street,
Market street
in san francisco.
I was doing a reenactment
of "the green door"
For a live audience.
Meanwhile, they got
seven cops in the audience.
And when I pull out my dick
and go to do it,
They all, cops just came in
and busted me. Took me to jail.
Of course the mitchells got me
out insto-presto.
But then I went
before the court.
So we had to moved it up
to the california supreme court.
Fornication in a public place,
that was the charge.
And I said, "man, I'm not
sticking my dick in these women.
I'm moving it to the side.
It's a play-act thing."
'course, you know, those cops,
those motherfuckers.
So, I go before
the supreme court.
So, they call me up
and they go,
"okay, johnnie, what you
got to say?"
All these old men with their
gray hair and their soft dicks.
So, I go, "would you rather
for your children
"to see people cut each other
up, blow each other up,
"kill each other,
"or would you rather
for your children to see
"people hugging and kissing
and making love?
Which would you rather
for your children to see?"
Of course, they can't say.
They gotta say the latter,
The hugging and the kissing.
And my testimony helped change
The sexual mores
of this country.
It made it legal for human
beings to go to a store
And rent
an x-rated movie legally.
And I helped make that thing
a reality in this country.
So, I freed a lot
of dicks and pussies.
That's how I feel
about it. Know what I mean?
Real talk. That's real talk.
Years ago, I did a play on
broadway called "the wiz,"
And that's the black production
of "the wizard of oz"
If you people don't know.
One night,
The lead singer in the show
had laryngitis.
And the producers came,
"johnnie, can you
sing 'over the rainbow'?
"because she can't sing it."
And I had never did
"over the rainbow"
'cause that wasn't
my part of the show.
'cause I was
the tin man, right?
So, I go, "okay,
yeah, I'll try it."
And so this is
the way I did it.
somewhere over the rainbow
so, then after that I had a son.
And you know what happens
to men when they have boys.
Right?
This woman ran off with my boy.
See, I had taught school.
Like, I said,
Robin williams was one
of my students and people.
She says, "you got a phd.
"go teach school. You don't need
to be making these fuck movies."
I said, "let me tell you,
when I met you
I was making fuck movies.
"that's the reason
why you came to me,
"'cause you wanted
that big dick, bitch.
"so don't be telling me
about, you know,
"you want to change my life?
"you gonna come into my life now
and try to change me?"
I said,
"you don't have
that power, woman."
So, the first thing she did
was snatch my son
And take him away from me,
Which broke my heart.
And that's when I went
and came up to washington
to raise my boy.
And I raised my boy,
he became a globetrotter.
He became one of the top
athletes in washington.
So, I'm proud of that.
I talked to him
last night, right?
He said, "listen,
"all the motherfuckers
gotta go to the wikipedia
and they see you.
"and they know I'm your son."
He said, "so you don't have
to do it no more, pops."
He said, "pops, you don't
have to do that no more."
He said, "'cause you are
what you are,
"and I am what I am,
"and no matter whatever
comes out in the wash,
We're beautiful."
That's my boy
telling me.
where trouble melts
like lemon drops
I'm not saying I want
to exit porn.
I love porn for what it is
and how it can develop.
And I'm really into, like,
Pushing the boundaries
of future porn,
Of, like, I don't know,
technologies and stuff.
I'm really into, like,
virtual reality porn
And stuff like that
at the moment.
So, yeah, I'm happy
with what I'm doing,
But eventually I want
to direct and produce films.
And basically
push the boundaries
Of what's out there at
the moment technology-wise.
You know? I'm doing a bit with
360 video work at the moment,
Just testing and stuff.
And hopefully, I think,
that's got a lot of prospect.
But, yeah, porn's
one of them worlds, man.
It's ever-evolving
and, you know,
All the new technologies
are always found,
And some come and some go.
And I'm just grateful
to be where I am
And kind of progressing
with it, you know what I mean?
So, hopefully one day,
I'll be able to direct
and produce films
And find another
big dick kid like me
and change his life, man.
That's all I want to do.
what's the difference between
a boy toy, a slave,
And a fuck buddy
and a boyfriend?
I've actually had
to try to explain this
to my shrinks before.
Slave boys, they enjoy
the fetter side of things.
Fuck buddies are people that
would be boyfriends
If they were better.
And then boyfriends are people
that you have,
You know, spiritual, sexual,
emotional relationships with,
And, you know, you're
intimate and vulnerable,
And all of that
kind of fun stuff.
And the boy toys are just
supposed to shut the fuck up,
Be cute and pretty and do
as mistress mommy tells them to.
I always wanted a smooth-running
machine of a business,
Like that was
always my goal.
I remember, like,
asking people, like,
"how do you get into porn?
How do you get into porn?"
And then I ended up
doing a photo shoot
With high society
and cherry magazine in jamaica.
And who was my roommate?
Jenna jameson was.
So, she's like,
"you need to move to la
and live with me,
And I'll hook you up."
And, you know, I was taking
care of my mother at that time.
And I told my mom
that we were
Gonna be moving
to hollywood, florida.
So I'm in jamaica
and I call my mom up,
And I'm like, "mom,
we're moving to hollywood!"
And she's like, "yeah, I know."
I'm like, "scratch."
"hollywood, california."
She's like, "what?"
I was 23 and I decided
to open up,
You know,
a 5,000 square-foot studio,
Make it a rental facility.
And I started
right after that
My first web site
and then, you know,
Decided to do a whole
network of them
And all different
kinds of fetishes.
It was called
"the niche bitch."
I had the niche bitch network.
And it went from there.
Then the whole gonzo thing
kind of started
When you started having, like,
digital cameras.
And everybody else
used to call it,
Um, the actual civilian
term for it...--
"civilian" meaning you people--
...Um, non porn stars,
Uh, it was called pro-am.
Which really all it meant was
there was a bunch of idiots
That used to be porn stars
That had picked up a camera,
myself included...
...But mostly it was all guys.
Because, once again, it was
a very, very
Boys' school business
back then.
I mean, it was all italian mafia
that did distribution,
And it was all jewish mafia
that did production,
And women were not allowed
to kind of get in there,
Especially distribution,
you know.
So, but anyways,
there was a film,
I think it was called "erocity,"
Where I was raping
the fuck out of this
guy's ass in my dungeon,
And it was really hilarious
Because I broke
my discipline horse.
And I just kept pounding that
motherfucker into the ground.
And it was so funny
'cause the director
afterwards was like,
"you didn't miss a beat."
And I'd always have, you know,
these soire affairs,
And I'd have a curator with
all these fetish kind of art,
And I'd have these
custom-made outfits,
And I'd have an open bar.
And then, you know, I'd be
double-fisting somebody
In the dungeon downstairs.
And, you know, my mom
would be upstairs,
And she's like,
"I'm so proud of my daughter."
And they're like, "do you know
what she's doing downstairs?"
"I don't care. I'm just
very proud of her."
I know I'm hypocritical
'cause I'm a dominatrix
and I beat the shit
out of men,
But I just feel like it's
appropriate doing it to a man
but not a woman.
Call me cray-cray,
it's the feminist in me.
-Sam?
-Yeah?
How about you come over here
and sit besides me on this couch
And show me some of that
sam slate private dick?
Thought you'd never ask me.
I feel like now
when I watch porn,
It's like, you know,
fucking her in the ass,
And choking her
and, you know,
Having as many cocks
as you possibly can,
And it's all this spit
and put her head in the toilet.
And I am not down
with that program.
So when I had
originally retired,
Because all porn stars, we come
back and we...
That's what we do,
we leave and we come back.
But when I originally retired,
I had no problem doing it
because the business that I knew
Where you actually had sex,
like, on beds and desks,
And, you know, and it was like,
you were having sex.
It was, like, good.
Now, oh my god, I need to do
a sitz bath afterwards.
I mean, they freaking kill you.
It's like, it's all about
pounding you into the next room,
And choking you.
They don't do
that shit to me.
Because I will turn around
and clock the motherfucker.
'cause I am a dominant woman
and I'm older.
Respect your elders, beyotch.
I had been retired
for quite a few years
And a director
contacted me,
Not knowing that I had
been retired.
And he's like, "oh, you know,
I was wondering, you know,
"I had a scene that I
wanted you to be in."
And I was like, "okay, well,
what's the name of the film?"
And he's like, "golden girls."
I'm like,
"you're a fucking jerkoff!"
Dude calls me back, like,
a year later and he goes,
"I got your comeback film."
I'm like, "get the fuck
outta here.
Didn't think I'd be hearing
from you again," and...
Do you want a piece
of me, you little bitch?
"sex and the city,"
I want you to play samantha.
I'm like,
"dude, I like you, man."
So, I got to do
that particular movie,
And I had realized
it had been a while
Since I'd been on camera.
I had maybe done, like, two
anal scenes in my entire life.
So I said I would
do an anal scene.
But I'm not a pro at this.
God bless all of the men
out there that think that,
You know, there's not a lot
of preparation that
goes into this.
Let me tell you something,
there... There needs to be.
Oh, you dirty, naughty boy.
-You wanna fuck my ass?
-Yeah, I wanna fuck that ass.
Oh, yeah.
Shove that big cock in my ass.
It's like, 10:00 a.M.
And you're having, like,
A 20-inch cock shoved
into your ass, right?
And, you know, I haven't had
anything in my own booty
For, like, a long time.
I'm in the bathroom
talking to a girlfriend of mine.
"allison, something
happened to my ass."
She's like, "what are
you talking about?"
I'm like, "there's something
wrong with my ass."
She's like, "what are
you talking about?"
I'm like, "no, there's
really something, like,
"like, I think my ass
flipped inside out or-- yeah."
And she's like,
"what are you talking--"
I'm like...
"something's
wrong with my ass."
And so, sure enough,
I go back on set, you know,
And I'm like, got my legs
together and I'm scooting in,
And they're like,
"uh, are you okay?"
And I'm like, "um...
Something happened to my ass."
And they're like,
"oh, not a big deal.
You're just rosebudding it."
I'm like,
"what is rosebudding it?"
And they're like, "well,
it's when you have a prolapse,
"you know, like,
your ass, like, prolapsed.
"it flips inside out." right?
And I'm like,
"oh, no, this is not good."
They're like,
"oh, don't worry about it.
"there's like a ton of girls
in the industry
"that have permanent rosebud.
"there's like a whole prolapse
fetish genre of film."
And I'm like, "no..."
The next time
I did an anal scene,
I prepared for a month.
have you put any restrictions
On what you're willing
to do on video?
Um, at this point
in time I have.
I won't do any anals
or gangbangs,
And that's pretty much it.
And the only reason is, is...
...It's more, like, a business
thing than anything else.
I figure I have to have
something left
When... To market
a little bit later on.
So, you'll probably see me
doing it a little bit later,
but not quite yet.
Gonna make you wait for it.
do you do it off camera?
Oh, definitely. Uh-huh, uh-huh.
Mm-hmm. Definitely.
Well, I don't know
about gangbangs.
I don't really usually get into
a gangbang situation
All that often.
Um, but anal sex,
I do try get it in
every once in a blue moon.
I'd been producing
and directing for 15 years,
And I thought,
"well, you know what?
"why don't I understand
the theory
"of what I've actually been
doing for the last 15 years."
So I moved to new york
And I started going to
the new york film academy.
I did two years of producing,
one year of directing.
It was funny 'cause they would
go on my imdb page
And, you know, there's these
19-year-old film school boys,
And they're like, "oh my god!
You have 1,000 credits?"
"your imdb page is so big
and massive and huge.
So yeah, when I realized that
independent filmmaking was
not going to continue
Making me the rich bitch
that I'm used to being...
Maybe I should dj?
Workaholic slash
rave chick girl.
Work my ass off, work hard,
play hard kind of thing.
I was always billed out
as the porn star dj.
But then I've also been
in "playboy" magazine,
So also "playboy" dj.
And, you know, now I get
to just be a talented
scam artist dj.
I've not had any issue
with my past being negative.
It's actually been
the exact opposite.
I've utilized all
the tools and connections
And things like that
In whatever new businesses
that I start now.
I am very happy that I was
A part of
the "golden age of porn."
Very happy.
'cause, you know what?
I don't know if I
could do it nowadays.
I really don't know
if I could.
most men involved
in the industry,
Outside of most of the talent,
I don't think
they're pro-women.
I don't think they like women.
I think that they get off on
having power over women.
But it also creates money,
So, you know,
that's my opinion.
I don't think it's...
It's far from the most honorable
industry that ever existed.
long-term, I'm actually
doing my web site now.
Eventually, I want
to keep doing it,
But, I mean, if something
else comes up,
That'd be cool too, but...
I want to eventually, like,
hire people to do it for me,
So, like, I don't have to do it
anymore, you know what I mean?
Like, have my own site
and pay girls to do stuff.
Or men.
So that I don't have to, like--
I can be, like,
a director basically, you know?
That'd be cool.
back up this way now.
- Yeah, nice.
Can you bring 'em
underneath yourself?
Yeah? Let's pop those out.
Beautiful.
Okay, good.
That's it.
Drop that shoulder.
Yeah, nice.
Bring your left shoulder
to me just a little bit.
Right there.
Yeah, very strong.
Beautiful.
Right there, good.
do you like
this job so far?
I love this job so far.
are there certain aspects
Of this kind of work
that you dislike?
Yeah, but the likes
outweigh the dislikes.
what's going on in the life
of chasey lain?
right now I'm out here working.
I do two weeks on,
two weeks off.
And I'm giving some love to
dennis here at the bunnyranch.
There it is.
And a lot of love
to a lot of fans out there?
Yeah. Anybody can come,
swing on by and we'll have
a good time.
There you go.
So, are you--
Are you still doing movies
or are you done with that?
mmm, I don't know
if I'm done with it.
I'm not shooting right now.
okay.
off and on,
I went to the bunnyranch
for a minute and worked.
I don't have
any problem with dennis.
It's just that it's not for me,
'cause it's really
way far out of town,
And I don't like
the money split there.
They take half of everything
And then charge you
for room and board
And different stuff as well.
And it gets real slow
during christmas
'cause it gets real cold there
and it snows and stuff.
So sometimes there would be
days, two, three, four days
And not one person
would walk in the door.
So you end up having
to stay a little bit longer
than you would have
'cause you're upside down
to the house.
'cause every day
that you're there,
they charge you room and board
And this and that.
The adult business
and the escort business
Are two separate businesses.
They want nothing
to do with each other.
In fact, years back,
if you were escorting,
You were blackballed
in the adult industry.
They would never
hire you again on set
If they found out
you were escorting.
You're supposed
to be untouchable
when you're doing film.
And so that means not
everybody can get to you
To shoot you or...
Not everybody could get
to you to have sex with you.
Otherwise, why would you
buy the video?
The video has to be the only
place they can get it
Or it won't sell.
My free time,
I like to spend shopping.
With my son.
Or, um...
Relaxing. I like my horses
are you a clothes girl?
Or are you a shoes girl?
I'm shoes. I'm shoes.
-You have a big collection?
-I'm a shoes girl.
I do.
Huge. 800 or so pair.
Any particular brand
in particular?
Not in particular.
It's every brand. Every pair.
My contracts
progressively got better
throughout the years.
Dancing progressively
got better too.
I got a base pay and then
I got two rooms and two tickets.
'cause I didn't share a room
with my roadie.
And I don't take a split
on merchandise either.
Some of the clubs want to take,
like, half your money.
Yeah, I had my own toy line,
And I had my own line
of realistics,
Vibrators, and love gels, so.
They molded my hands,
my face, my crotch,
My feet...
My whole body,
I guess.
There were 25 products
out on the market.
I would get checks
every two, three months
For like, 60,000
And stuff like that.
I'm old school.
You absolutely know
that gonzo's not my favorite.
It's something
with a script
and a plot.
but see, most people
would be surprised
That'd you want
to have a script and...
It's so much easier
to go by a script,
And you're going to work
to pretend to do something,
To be something, to do.
I mean, it's an entire act,
so why not?
I mean, yeah, of course
I'd like to have a script,
Something to actually do,
work on.
Not just... Plop up
camera there.
That takes all the mad
movie magic out of it.
Yeah, the internet wasn't around
When I first got
into the business,
And then it destroyed
the business pretty much.
People can just
look at the internet and get
whatever they want for free.
There's no need to put
any kind of production value
into anything.
There's no need to pay
an extra penny for anything
When it's being shoved
down your throat for free.
The same opportunities
are not available now
That were then.
I produced
an all-girls line
For vivid
called "chasin' pink"
And my budgets were $30,000.
I mean, that was
considered gonzo.
My "gonzo,"
my $30,000 "gonzo."
I mean, have you seen
the stuff that's up there?
I mean, I uh...
Last time I checked,
Bang brothers didn't have
a whole elaborate setup.
It's different now.
I mean, they shoot something
In their living room
and throw it on the internet
And then now
they're a porn star.
Well, it's not really
paying your dues.
But okay.
What would you like to do
after adult films?
Is there life
after adult films?
I don't know.
I don't think so, but...
Right. Um, next question.
How would you judge
the future of porn in general?
I think the future of porn...
Well, my lord, it's the oldest
profession that there is,
So I pretty much think
it's just gonna get better.
Yeah, it would take money
to do another scene.
I mean, the companies now
just aren't really paying.
If I wanted to shoot
every day, I could.
I'm just not interested
in shooting every day
Because I don't really like
to do interracial scenes
too much.
I don't want to shoot anal.
And so, that's mostly
what they're shooting
And I'm just not interested
in shooting that.
And so, I don't.
I mean, I've done adult
for a long, long time.
I mean, there's other things
that can be done
That I'm also interested in
That I would like to do
Since the adult business
doesn't exist anymore.
Since... Let it go to bed.
-It's for you.
-Oh!
-Hello?
-Allison?
fame is real.
Fame is fun.
I made it so I'd get recognized
when I go to the grocery store.
Everybody's your
best friend when...
...When you're a star.
A person who is paid for sex
Doesn't necessarily have
any negative repercussions
from that act.
And some of the things
people have investigated,
For example, are things like
post-traumatic stress disorder,
Anxiety disorders.
And while they may occur more
frequently in that population,
There's no evidence that
their receiving sex for money
Caused that problem for them.
Let's say I'm some
unemployed guy or something
In the middle of the country
living in a trailer park,
But I have
the ware-for-all to be able
to save $100 a week up
So that on
my birthday next year,
I can buy my favorite hooker
or porn star for an hour.
Okay, she just fell
off that pedestal,
in my opinion.
And she became less valuable
to the industry.
As soon as someone
can have you
For a price
outside the industry,
Your value to the industry
goes down.
However, the models use
our industry and our sites
And the scenes
as advertising
That they're still
an active adult film star.
people think that once you do
a porn, it's like over with,
But it's really not.
Once you do porn, it actually
opens up a door to...
I walk around,
and I'm walking
In the like street
the other day,
And I was just crossing
the like, road.
I'm crossing the road
and a guy yells out
By car, "I fucking hate you,
donny sins. You son of a bitch."
I'm like,
"who are you?"
He's like, "I watched you
on dogfart the other day.
"you were fucking
this blonde chick that I love
And I never got
to fuck her before."
And you're like...
It opens up avenues for you,
you know what I mean?
And then it's funny enough
that he cursed me out
And then offered me
a fucking ride down the street.
And I'm like,
"no, I'm fine.
It's a nice day.
I would rather walk."
Okay, red light's on.
We're recording.
All right.
I have no idea
if this is even working.
I don't know
what the hell I'm doing.
I just want to make
a tape, okay?
So, here's me.
Hope you like it.
Sit back, relax, and enjoy
the feature presentation.
Shit.
This thing on?
How the hell
am I gonna shut it off?
and tabitha, what about you?
You're in porno.
What age did
you start doing porno?
I started at 25.
I'm 31.
- you're 31 years old---
-25 is a late start!
you're a late starter, yeah.
the way she started...
I said, "how did you start?"
She said she was
a bored housewife.
-Yes.
-Really?
-You were a married woman.
-Yes, I was.
And you were sitting at home.
Did you watch a lot of porno
at home?
I only saw half a porno
my whole life.
I'd have to say
that howard stern
Has been a very big part
of my career.
He helped me brand
tabitha stevens.
And it's a great opportunity.
And I have to laugh
because I always hear,
"did you have to sleep
with howard to be on
that many times on his show?"
And no, never.
I've never, ever
had sex with howard stern.
I've never, ever, ever had sex
with howard stern.
Or anyone from his show,
Unless it was
a wack pack member, okay?
There you have it.
The truth coming
from my mouth to your ears.
I like, when
I'm going on a set,
I like to know
what I'm going to do.
I like to know
who I'm going to do.
I like to know this
on the porno set.
-Mm-hmm.
-I like to know what time
I'm going to be finished
And I like to be
treated with respect.
That's all there is.
I mean, that's the one thing.
If you treat me with respect,
I'll treat you
with 100 times more respect.
That's all it is.
It's just that.
In 1993, I got married.
And I married a guy
who was a super-cool guy.
Did very well for himself.
I was a stripper
when I first met him,
And then I quit obviously.
And I became a housewife.
And I was very bored.
The first video that I shot
was called "rolling thunder."
It was by vivid entertainment.
Racquel darrian
was on the box cover
And my scene
was with bobby vitale.
And it was supposed to
be a girl, but it ended up
being a boy/girl.
They switched it
on my last minute.
So, of course I didn't tell
my husband at the time that.
But I remember--
this is the funniest thing--
Being nervous
about my dialog.
The sex I knew I could do,
'cause I knew I had a...
You know, I was
real good at that.
I kinda still am.
But anyway.
But my thing was,
what if I don't get
my lines right?
And I told them that.
And they're like,
"you're gonna be fine."
After my scene was over,
Well, I was on a desk.
I was supposed to be
playing a secretary.
- imagine that.
-With bobby vitale.
And when I got up,
There were phone numbers
imprinted on my ass.
And I couldn't figure out
what it was.
Like, "oh, my god,
who did this?"
But, yeah, so it was
kind of interesting.
But then I got divorced
right after that.
I had my mom get all
my stuff out of my house,
You know, got divorced,
And that was it.
Never looked back.
I just couldn't see
myself being an extension
of somebody else's life.
I mean, he was successful
in what he did
And he was a great provider,
And again, I have nothing
against the guy whatsoever.
But here's the thing.
It's like that was his thing.
I needed to find my thing
And it ended up
porn was my thing.
I just call it
ass-fucking, myself.
When I got into the business,
I was told
one really important thing.
Pace out your career.
If you want any kind
of longevity,
Don't do anal scenes
right away.
Give it a couple of years.
Don't do
a double penetration
right away.
Wait for interracial.
That was a big thing.
Okay, well,
I didn't know.
Here I come
into a business.
I didn't know anybody
in the porn business.
So, I paced my career.
It took me what,
about a year and a half,
Two years to do
my first anal scene?
Think I've done eight
anal scenes my entire career.
Maybe eight to ten?
Double penetration.
I did that...
Three years later?
So, I took my time with it.
It took me 17 years
before I did my first
interracial scene.
So, I took my time
So that I wasn't burnt out
And people weren't burnt out.
Are you following me again?
Told you to stop following me.
no, no, wait.
I think nowadays
That the day
of the contract is over.
And that was
a big deal for us.
That was a totally big deal
Because you use that contract
to get on box covers.
You needed those box covers
So you could go
on the road dancing.
You made a lot of money
feature dancing.
Now, I do know that nowadays
girls still go on the road.
What happened to being
in those bigger movies
Where you could be
the only girl on the box cover?
Now everybody's on the box cover
with gaping assholes.
I don't think that's attractive.
Back then it was classier
than I think it is now.
And I think that girls
are doing things nowadays
That they probably
wouldn't really want to do,
Like the double anals
or the double vag.
Because they want
to make the money
And because there's
so much competition.
But the art of it
Is when you're suckin' it,
you gotta twist it.
You gotta twist it
at the top.
Remember that,
dave, for later.
Twist, jerk it,
and twist it and lick it
And go down and up.
But don't do it in my teeth.
I mean, they hurt.
These are really good teeth.
See? They're really good.
We're all in the sex business.
And I've heard this said before.
We're all hoes on this bus
I've heard that now
girls are getting
into the porn business
So that they can
become escorts.
That's what's happening now.
I'm not against it.
Not one bit.
So, that's why
you really don't see
The age of
the porn star anymore.
I think that
there are a very few.
You still have
your jessica drakes
of the world.
But you look at jessie today,
and I mean, who else
after jessie?
I don't really know many girls
That are now the porn star.
And now I think
that's the way
they're doing it, is to...
And I'm not knocking the girls.
Hey, if that's how they want to
make their money, that's fine.
Again, be safe about it.
But I think they're
coming in the industry
to make a little name,
And then they go out there
and make probably even more
money being an escort.
So have you ever wondered
why I'm so at ease
With the adult business
And when you were
doing movies and whatnot?
I kind of have an idea,
but what is it?
Well, it's that...
I understand
the entertainment value.
I understand that there's rarely
true passion involved.
And that at the end of the day,
It's a job
as most jobs are.
rolling.
Cut.
All right. I'm gonna
get a wide shot
and I'll come back there.
and the reality of it is,
is it's hard work.
It's entertainment.
I knew that you, like anybody
in the adult business
Has to produce work.
When I decided
to hang it up,
With my career,
I'd have to say
It was pretty much
a joint decision about that.
-Wouldn't we say?
-Absolutely.
Yeah, it was.
Again, I respect gary so much.
And if gary ever
had a hard time
And said, you know,
"I really don't want you
to do this anymore.
Could you please stop?"
I would.
I just love
and respect my husband.
And he's the same with me.
And I just figured, you know,
and it was time.
It was just time to move on
to bigger and better things.
tabitha and I spend day
after day after day
Backpacks on our backs,
trekking into the wilderness,
And we're shooting amazing,
stunning, beautiful
Fine art photography landscapes.
And we're producing
and tabitha's core,
absolutely pivotal.
A lot of the ideas are hers,
The concepts are hers,
the design.
And we're producing
and creating these works
For a fine art
photography gallery,
-Which is named...
-Savage territory,
A gary orona gallery.
How do I say it again?
-"this is where I am."
-"this is where I am." okay.
This is where I am now.
My husband and I own
a fine art photography gallery
Here, in green river, utah,
called savage territory.
-Yeah.
-Okay. But I'm just
letting you know I'm more fine.
I'm really fine.
I actually do think
about a life after porn.
I want to either...
I want to go
to college really.
I was raised jehovah witness,
So I was in
a really small school
that my family opened.
So, I've not really been
familiar with like,
Public schools
or public schooling.
So, college to me
is gonna be a huge experience.
So, what I'd like to do is go
and kind of see the colleges
And see the different like paths
that I can take
'cause I don't even know
really what I want to do
after porn.
But I don't want to do porn
for the rest of my life.
I'll probably be in
maybe another year or two
Is the longest
I would say,
And then go to a school
and figure out kind of
what I want to do.
And maybe I'll work
with children
Or maybe something
like massage therapy
Or physical therapy maybe.
I do have a plan for getting out
of porn and performing.
I'm actually a partner
In the agency
that I'm with right now.
And we have a production side.
It's called vuluce.
And we'll be shooting
models for that
And doing fan sites
and all that good, fun stuff.
I want to have
a family one day.
So, definitely
on the right track
To succeeding for that.
So, I'm excited.
I got this fantasy job
That, you know,
I gotta step back
and kind of analyze this here
And say,
"wait a minute.
"you know, I can
choose any woman,
You know, or I could ask
if I can have a scene with her."
And to know that
I'm gonna be with
most amazing women
Is just kind of...
Fantasy come true.
A lot of people have hang up
about me just doing girl/girls,
And oh, it's this,
it's fake and it's shit.
They can kiss my ass
'cause it's not.
I don't like, you know,
when a lot of the girl/girls
Have the, you know,
touch tongues or this.
I want a connection where
we can hold tight and sweat
And... Two become as one.
Life is gonna zoom on by
And... You know,
I want to grab and feel things
as much as I can now.
And I feel here
just recently,
I want to grab all this stuff.
And I'm almost in a panic.
It's been years
since I've been interviewed
Or in front of a camera.
Ultimately, this whole industry
Is a big, fucking
cop out on life.
You wake up,
you're 47 years old,
And you ain't got
a pot to piss in.
Great. 25 years.
Now what are you gonna do?
Okay, I... It's...
Now what?
I remember being
in my childhood house
And I'm thumbing through
a local pennysaver,
And I saw
an ad that said
"wanted: Figure models."
It was a test shoot
for penthouse.
You know, I'm wearing
my grandmother's silk robe,
And I put on
some lee press-on fingernails,
And we did some makeup
and went to malibu beach.
Test shot
and lo and behold,
It was the centerfold
for December '87.
I was pampered.
I was loved.
I was wanted.
From there is where
I met andrew blake.
And he asked me if I'd be
interested in triple-x.
At the time
I was married
And I said, "yeah, I could
venture into triple-x
As long as it's women only."
You know, out of courtesy
for my husband at the time.
And lo and behold,
"hidden obsessions."
Julia ann and myself were
At that same time dancing
as blondage.
We were on the road and,
you know, I told her
About what has just happened
With, you know, being asked
to do "hidden obsessions."
And she came aboard
and then she and I did
The ice, the infamous
ice dildo scene,
And that won awards, and...
We were rockstars.
come on over
oh, honey, ooh, ooh
said, "come on over"
The bucks were flying in.
I was just buying cars
for my mom,
For my sister,
for this person, that person,
And big houses,
and a lot of stuff.
I didn't know
what to do with it all.
It happened so fast.
I wasn't prepared for it,
Which led me into taxes.
I-- and--
porn star janine lindemulder
is facing federal criminal rap
For failing to pay
about $80,000 in income tax.
lindemulder was named last month
in a misdemeanor accusing her
Of stiffing the irs
for taxes due
On more than $350,000
of income in 2004.
Went to prison, misdemeanor,
Failure to--
Or willful failure
to pay back taxes.
That was kind of--
that was the beginning
Of...
An incredible...
Life-altering nightmare.
janine lindemulder is now locked
in a bitter custody dispute
With sandra bullock
and her husband jesse james.
janine lindemulder says
she's a good mother
And her daughter
is her world.
But bullock and her husband
jesse james have accused her
Of everything from drug use
to child neglect
And are seeking sole custody.
Now that lindemulder
has finished
A six-month prison term
for tax evasion,
She wants her child back,
Setting the power couple up
for a big fight.
when the whole sunny custody
thing is happening...
My ex had his lawyer,
high-priced lawyer.
I'm there, no lawyer...
Totally confused
about the situation.
I'm tatted.
Judge is looking at
what my line of work is.
At one point,
she put her papers down,
Looked me square
in the eyes and said,
You know, "what happened
to you in your childhood
To make you
the way you are?"
And, you know,
she sized me up.
She saw the tattoos,
she sees that you're
a porn star,
And it was pretty much
a done deal.
She...
Without even giving me
an opportunity to state my case,
I lost her.
Being in the industry,
being heavily tattooed
Definitely changed
the course of my life.
You know.
The longer I was away
from my daughter,
The darker my world became.
I then found
myself heavily medicated.
You know, doctors prescribed
anti-depressants,
Anti-anxiety,
and then pain pills
came into play.
Vicodin, absolutely
drug of choice.
Poppin' those tings like candy.
And just anything
to alleviate
Some of the anguish
that I felt.
I found myself...
And this is tough to say,
But, homeless.
Homeless in my van
with my cat,
Just trying to make sense
of what's happened.
Having my daughter
pulled out of my life
In such a...
Harsh manner.
You know, there was
no phone calls.
There was-- I couldn't
tell her I love her.
You know, "I'm sorry,
I don't know what's happening.
I'm trying to get to you."
Everything was so confused
And I felt like
I was at a point of...
I want to check out.
I want to check out.
I can't deal.
I don't have the tools.
When janine was going through
what she went through
With jesse
and the loss of sunny,
I thought I was gonna lose her.
I thought I was gonna lose her.
And because she suffered,
She suffered so,
so deeply.
You know, I couldn't get
the knife out.
I couldn't make it right.
Everything I tried,
it was not enough.
To replace sunny...
Was all I wanted to do,
was get her back
And get her
in her arms again,
And we just
didn't have the power.
We didn't have what,
you know, he had
As far as power and money,
and, you know.
He's an unworthy father and...
I finally have the nerve
to call a suicide hotline.
Call 'em up, I said,
"man, I don't know
what's happening here.
I need to talk
to somebody."
And funny but sad,
The woman picks up the phone
and she says,
"we're really sorry,
but the doctor's not in."
And I'm like,
"are you fucking kidding me?
Okay. All right,
I'll call back."
So, I'm kind of laughing,
crying at this point
And right then and there,
I said, "okay.
Enough is enough.
I've got to pull this together."
I went to rehab.
I was in rehab
for a month.
And everybody at this point
Thought I was
just out of my mind.
"oh, she's a meth head.
Oh, she's on crack."
No, no, I'm lost.
I'm fucking heartbroken
beyond words.
At the same time,
I'm subjecting myself
to looking on the internet
And looking at people
comparing me
To america's sweetheart,
sandra bullock, saying,
"well, janine deserves
to lose her kid.
She's this cracked out,
you know, porn whore."
And, you know,
"sandra bullock is, you know,
the best thing for sunny."
And it-- that's just
bringing me down.
And I'm going,
"how am I gonna do this?"
Do I want my daughter
to do what I've done?
Fuck no.
No way.
I'm still--
I'm in limbo.
I don't know
what the future holds.
Do I go back to school?
Am I gonna be a waitress?
I don't know.
It's really kind of a...
An odd time
of my life right now.
I'm trying to figure that out
And, you know,
make my next move.
I've gotta have
the backbone to do it.
You know.
So far...
I don't.
I don't have it.
But it's getting there,
you know.
It's a work in progress.