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Is heaven a hope?
Or as real as the earth and sky?
I once asked my grandfather that question.
And he said by the time he knew the answer
it would be too late for him to tell me.
The day would come when
I asked that question again,
staring into the eyes of my son.
- Mighty quick.
- I don't get paid by the hour.
I'm afraid you don't get
paid by cash, either.
- Are you sure you're okay with the carpet?
- Times are tough.
Your business improves, mine will, too.
- Why don't you grab a hose?
- Did you rob a carpet store, Todd?
Unlike you guys, I actually have a job.
Look at these bums.
And he's got five of them.
Do you want some help?
You know, if you keep accepting
things instead of money,
eventually, you're going to run out
of things and money.
Yeah, I have to downsize, man. Downsize.
You ladies just keep your seats.
Todd and I got this.
- Yeah, don't help. Not necessary.
- No problem.
Longhorns, let's go! Line it up!
Show me what you got!
Coach is late!
Go, go, Burpos, Burpos!
Let's go, Davidson! You were slacking
last week. These ladies are watching.
That's it, that's it.
That's what I'm talking about right there.
I want you and you up.
...every blessing
Tune my heart to sing Thy grace
Every Monday.
...never ceasing
Call for songs of loudest praise
Teach me some melodious sonnet
Sung by flaming tongues above
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
We gotta work on that pitch, ladies.
- Well, it's a little bit pious.
- Shall we try it one more time?
Come, Thou Fount of every blessing
Tune my heart to sing Thy grace
Streams of mercy, never ceasing
Call for songs of loudest praise
Okay, once more.
Come, Thou Fount of every blessing
- There's my guy
- Daddy!
How are you? What's happening?
How are you doing?
How was your day?
What's going on in there?
Mom has a house full of women
and Cassie thinks she's one, too.
Oh, no. They're singing.
...tongues above
Todd's home.
All right, how about boy's night out,
we go get some pizza? Pizza Palace?
- Really?
- What do you think?
What do you think?
Does that sound good?
What kind are you going to get?
- Cheese.
- No, you're not.
- Cheese.
- Cheese.
What's wrong, Dad?
There are some people over at the hospital
and they want me to come by.
...to sing Thy grace
- I'll go with you.
- You're going to go with me?
I don't know if that's such a good idea.
It might be a little sad or a little scary.
That's all right.
If I'm with you, I won't be afraid.
You're coming with me, then.
Hospital and pizza. Hospital and pizza.
Let's go.
You know what we say when we're hungry?
There's the doctor.
- Reverend Burpo.
- Todd.
- Todd.
- Yeah.
My name is Lee. My father
asked for a pastor.
- Would you mind talking to him?
- Sure.
- Great.
- Sure. Are you okay, pal?
He's in here.
My name's Todd.
I'm here to pray for you.
Is there anything you're sorry for?
Everything.
I believe God forgives.
And if he forgives anything,
he forgives everything.
Our Father who art in heaven,
hallowed be Thy name.
Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
"And then said to the
lion, 'Of all the deaths
"'we could have died,
this is the one we would have chosen. "'
Take your blanket.
- Night-night.
- Dad.
- Yeah?
- I prayed for the sick man.
We're currently looking at 62 degrees
with winds out of the south-southwest
at 13 miles an hour.
Lows expected to be in the mid-to upper...
When Jay offered us a house
as a part of my salary,
he never mentioned the rail road.
I like the rumble. It's romantic.
- How tight are we this month?
- No, don't talk about money.
Slim Forrest couldn't pay for
those garage doors.
He donated some carpet
for the church instead.
But he said he had the cash
when he placed the order.
Things changed.
You had a rough day, didn't you?
As long as I'm with you, I'm not afraid.
You're good.
But let me tell you something.
The next time I'm practicing your
favorite hymn and you howl like a dog,
I'm going to whip you like a dog.
Do you hear me?
Doesn't sound so bad.
Stop.
For I love the little children of the world
I will take you by the hand
Lead you to a better land
For I love.
Do you think Mom realizes
how funny she looks when she does that?
No. And we're not going
to tell her, are we?
All the children of the world
Red and yellow, black and white
All are precious in his sight
Jesus loves the little
children of the world
High five. Really good.
Really good, Douglas.
Voices of angels, right?
Well, this morning I want to talk to you about
what sort of commitment makes a marriage,
makes a relationship, makes up a life.
Last night, I stood in the bedroom where
our children sleep
and I listened to their mother read them
a bedtime story.
And in the final saga
of this wonderful land
where animals talk with humans
and a great lion leads them all to love
and faith and courage.
In the last chapter of this great story,
written for children just like me
and Mrs. Davis over here,
all of the lion's enemies have swept away
his followers except for two,
a bear and a unicorn,
who are trapped in a cave with the lion.
And because
the entrance to this cave is narrow,
the wave after wave of soldiers that
the evil king sends in
to try and kill them can't do it.
The lion, the bear, the unicorn,
they fight them off.
So finally, the king sends in a messenger.
He says, "Look, the one that we really want,
the one we're interested in, is that lion.
"Give him up and the rest of you will live.
"The unicorn, we're going
to cut his horn off.
"We'll make him pull a cart
for the rest of his life.
"The bear, we're going to put in chains
and shackles, make him dance in the circus.
"But both Of you Will live.
"All you have to do is give up that lion. "
Finally, the lion looks at his friends with
that look in his eyes,
"What are you going to do?"
And the bear and the
unicorn, they just smile
and they say,
"Of all the deaths that we could have died,
"this right here is the one
we would have chosen. "
But the bear and the lion and the unicorn,
they weren't looking for an easy road.
I don't think Jesus was either
when he accepted the cross.
There's a lot of people,
they don't believe that story anymore than
the one about the lion, the bear,
and the unicorn.
I'm here with you all this morning
because I believe in them both.
And I'll never give up that lion.
- Rosa.
- Sonja.
- How are you?
- I'm good.
I have something I wanted to give you.
It's just something small.
Thank you.
Oh, Sonja, this is too beautiful.
No. Not for her.
- I'll see you guys next Sunday.
- Yeah. Take care.
Look, baby. Sonja gave it to us for Lucia.
It's gorgeous.
You're great when I'm there to inspire you.
If you want to inspire me, you get a hit at
that softball game this afternoon.
Outstanding. I will.
- Watch that ball like that.
- Embarrassing.
- He's a good batter.
- Embarrassing.
All right, Jay!
Hold up.
- Let's go, baby.
- Come on, Sonja!
- Come on, Mama!
- All right! Let's go, Sonja!
Two more!
- Come on, Mama.
- Go!
Go! Go, go, go!
- No!
"Out!
- No, he knocked it loose. He's safe! Safe.
- There you go.
- You can't do that, man. That's dirty.
- Or what? Is there a problem?
Is there a problem?
I'm all right.
You just got me warmed up, baby.
You got me warmed up now.
Come on, baby.
Yeah, let's go. Easy out.
Yeah, Todd!
- Go, Sonja!
- Yes!
- Come on, Todd!
- Safe. Safe.
Michael, Michael! It's bad, it's bad!
Hold on, let me look. Don't move.
Get my bag.
- Yeah, yeah.
- Are you okay?
Todd, just stay still, buddy.
- We have to cut your pants, Todd.
- Don't touch it!
- It's a spiral fracture.
- Is it going to heal?
It'll heal, but he won't be climbing
any ladders soon.
Todd, just stay still, buddy.
I'm going to put some pressure on it,
Todd, okay?
Todd, we gotta lift it up, buddy.
We gotta lift it up.
As many of you already know,
I was hurt sliding into third.
- I was safe.
- No, he was out.
Okay, I was out.
I had a great teacher early in the ministry
who told me that
we'd have good days and bad days
and we'd seldom know at the time
which is which.
But a few Sundays ago, as I was sliding
into third and I heard the crack of my leg,
I had a pretty good idea which was which.
So, the Bible talks about adversity.
The Bible talks about
all things working together for the good.
Todd! What...
Okay, I'm all right.
- It's my back.
- Are you all right?
Don't move.
- Lie down.
- I'm on it.
- It's Pastor Todd. He's fallen.
- Nancy, sing Amazing Grace.
- Don't move, don't move.
- It's just a spasm.
It's my back. It's my back.
Amazing Grace
How sweet the sound
That saved a wretch
Like me
- it's kidney stones again.
- Yeah.
All we can do is give you painkillers
and lots of water and let you pass them.
Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Doctor.
You're going to be all right.
- Jay!
- Hey.
Todd's passing another stone,
so Colton and I, we're going to the park.
All right.
- Giddyup, horsey!
- Horseys bite. Did I tell you that?
How's he doing?
Todd?
Todd?
I'm passing another one!
Todd, it's Jay!
How are you doing, buddy?
Can I do anything for you?
- What, do you want to try and catch it?
- No. That's not what I had in mind.
- How many have you passed?
- I've passed seven, Jay! Seven!
That's a bunch.
I think they usually say you gotta pass
about 14, 15 to make sure they're gone.
What do you want?
Well, you know, we're sort of wondering
when you think
you might be able to preach again.
Okay, thank you.
- From the prison ministry.
- Giving is a good...
He's used to captive audiences.
- Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit.
- She's from the seminary.
If Todd isn't back soon,
I'm going to kill somebody.
And I'm going to start with you.
- Holy Spirit.
- Use an anvil.
We need to get out of town.
A family getaway.
I know a great place. Denver.
Denver?
We can bring the kids, go for a weekend.
- When?
- I don't know. Soon.
No, honey. I have to focus on work.
- We need it.
- We've got to get some bills paid.
You need it.
- All right, well...
- There's no way, I'm telling you.
Okay. I'm just saying, if you did,
I would...
Now?
Okay.
Not now. If you say we can go.
Kids, we're going to Denver!
This little light of mine
I'm gonna let it shine
This little light of mine
I'm gonna let it shine
Let it shine, let it shine, let it shine
Could we sing We Will Rock You?
Buddy you're a boy
Make a big noise
Playing in the street
Gonna be a big man some day
You got mud on your face
You big disgrace
Kicking your can all over the place
Singing "We will, we will rock you"
I wouldn't want to eat a monarch.
They taste so bad.
- You wouldn't want to eat it?
- Yeah, for sure.
- He's coming home with us.
- Do you see his eyes?
- He wants to...
- No, he wants...
There he goes.
Dad, speed up.
Look!
- Here's a butterfly.
- Yeah, look at that one.
Oh, my gosh.
Look! They've got a place where
you can hold a tarantula.
There's one.
- A butterfly.
- Pretty good, right?
Let's follow that guy.
- What do you think? Is she soft?
- Yeah.
- I did it, I did it!
- You sure did.
I want a sticker.
If you want a sticker,
you have to get in there and hold Rosie.
- Colton, why don't you try?
- No.
Hello, Doctor, it's Sonja Burpo.
Colton started throwing up
on the way home in the car.
Cassie!
No, I don't. Cassie. Cassie. Honey.
Yeah.
- Todd!
- I'm coming, I'm coming.
- His temperature is 103.
- Keep it in there.
- And Cassie is throwing up now also.
- Don't get any in your hair.
Don't get any in your hair.
- Honey. Thank you. Thank you.
- Those are chunks.
You've got to chew your food.
The doctor says that
the flu's been going around and... Todd!
Hey, this is Todd Burpo,
Overhead Garage Door, Imperial, Nebraska.
That's right. Right.
I got that big order for
the 591 series doors.
B- U-R-P-O. Okay, I'm
sending in that deposit.
I'm going to pay that in full
with the job completion, all right?
Okay, thank you very much.
His fever's up.
- I thought it was holding steady.
- It was.
It's now 104. It's been four days.
Cassie is fine.
I mean, could it be appendicitis?
You had it in college. I've had it.
Maybe this is the beginning of it.
- I'm going to try to call...
- No, I already tried.
We've got to take him
to the medical center. Now.
All right.
Cassie!
Todd, we need to hurry.
Faster, Todd.
He has a ruptured appendix.
We need to get him to surgery right away.
Call the OR.
- Daddy, don't let them take me.
- I'm right here, buddy.
- Ruptured when?
- It looks like days ago. He's very sick.
Dawn, run ahead, get everybody ready.
- But how can that happen?
- The blotches on the X-ray are infected.
It exploded all through
his abdominal cavity.
But he's going to be okay, right?
We're going to get in there and clean
him out. You'll have to wait here.
Stay right there, please.
Are they ready for us in OR?
I need his status ASAP.
- I'll come with you.
- No, no, I just need a minute.
You've made me suffer. And I took that.
You made my family suffer and I took that.
You're going to take my boy?
Don't you take my son.
Don't you take my son!
His blood pressure is falling.
We're losing him.
Sonja.
How's Colton?
We're in trouble here.
He's...
He's not... He's not doing well.
He's worse. He's much worse. And I...
No. No.
Will you call some friends
and ask them to pray for him?
Of course, I will, honey. Right now.
I'll pray for you, too.
Thank you.
Jay, we've got a problem.
Please help us watch over this little boy.
He's very precious.
I've heard him say so many times
what a fine young man you are.
I have a favor I'd like to ask.
For our brother, for his
family, for his boy.
Rosa, it's Nancy from the church.
Colton Burpo is in the hospital
and he may not live.
Our Father who art in heaven...
Mr. and Mrs. Burpo.
Colton.
Hi.
Hi, buddy.
Hi.
Dad, I want to hold
that spider.
Wow.
I think it's amazing.
- How is it?
- Fun.
- Now you have to do it.
- I'm not going to do it.
- Do it, do it!
- I'm not doing it.
- Do you want a sticker?
- Get the kid a sticker.
Okay.
- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
That's fun.
I've been here.
Here? I don't think
we've been here before, pal.
- Guess what.
- What?
- I like spiders.
- I saw that!
You got a sticker. You're
not afraid anymore.
We don't ever have to be scared.
Is that why you wanted to come back,
to show me you weren't afraid?
It's important.
What about the hospital?
How do you feel about that?
Does that scare you?
No, that's where the angels sang to me.
The angels sang to you?
Yes.
When?
During the operation, when Mom
was in one room talking on the phone,
and you were in another
room yelling at God.
How did you know that?
Because I saw you.
When did you see me?
I lifted up and I looked down
and saw the doctor working on me.
And I saw you and Mommy.
You saw...
- Hey
- Hey
A storm's coming.
Are you setting records?
- You got a sticker, huh?
- It's a record.
- How are you doing?
- Okay.
How was the trip?
- It was good. Fine.
- Just fine?
It was amazing, actually.
Colton held that spider like
he was holding his Spider-Man.
Come on.
Did he ever mention this idea to you
of hearing angels singing?
Not unless you're talking about
you and me in the shower.
Todd, these bills, they are coming through.
- How bad?
- $23,000.
I mean, do we have any receivables,
anything we can collect at all?
These utilities, we can put those off.
Now this one, I have to pay Jack Martin
for those truck tires. His wife is sick.
We've got a medical bill
coming in as well. $34,000.
- I thought this was part of the $23,000.
- No.
That's just what we owe with
medical supplies, living expenses, taxes.
- I'm going to have to get a job.
- I don't want to do that.
But you can't work any harder than you are.
- We need you here.
- You have to pay the doctor.
Of course, honey. We're going to find
some way to take care of that.
We've got to pay him.
He helped me. I saw him.
- Is something wrong with Colton?
- Why do you say that?
Because sometimes he sounds weird.
He says Jesus has a horse.
Well, all sisters think
their brothers are weird.
That's just the way it goes. Okay?
All right.
Okay, so, your dad's a preacher.
He knows a lot of things,
but he didn't know that Jesus has a horse.
Didn't know that.
It's beautiful.
Yeah? What color is it?
It's all the colors.
All the colors of the
rainbow are in heaven,
except they're all more.
- More what?
- Just more and brighter.
How do you know about this horse?
Because I saw him in heaven.
You were in heaven?
Dad, can we talk about this tomorrow
because I'm getting really sleepy.
Okay.
Dad, can I sleep in your room tonight?
No. No, we're going to go ahead
and sleep here.
It's late, guys. Come on.
- Open the door!
- Sorry.
Are you asleep?
Colton just told me he went to heaven.
What? When?
Just now.
No, when did he go to heaven?
He said that during his operation,
he left his body,
and he looked back on the operating table
and saw himself.
He has a very beautiful imagination.
I'll do it, too. I'll have the same thing.
Hi, how are you, Rosa? Can we get...
What do you think?
Milkshake.
- Two milkshakes, please.
- How is everything?
- Okay, great.
So, Colton,
I want to ask you about
when the angels sang to you.
Sure.
I was alone, but I wasn't scared.
I was at the church.
The door was closed.
I opened it.
And I saw something wonderful.
Hallelujah
Hallelujah
I saw angels and they were singing to me.
Can we sing We Will Rock You?
Colton, do you know who I am?
You're not afraid?
Nobody here wants to hurt me.
That's right, Colton.
And nobody here ever will.
There are some people here
who want to meet you.
So, what did they sing?
I asked them to sing We Will Rock You,
but they wouldn't.
And they laughed just like that.
Milkshake.
Moreland University,
Department of Psychology,
Chairman's office.
- May I speak with Dr. Slater, please'?
- Are you calling for an appointment?
Yeah. Is there any chance
she could see me today?
- Dr. Slater?
- Yes.
Hi. I'm Todd Burpo.
Yes, please come in.
Thanks for seeing me on short notice.
"Burpo". Are you a
minister over in Imperial?
Yeah. Yes. How'd you know that?
My late husband was religious. Please, sit.
He had heard about a speaker
named Burpo who was very interesting
and he kept badgering me to come hear you.
You're not?
- Not what?
- Religious.
No. Is that a problem?
No.
No, you might offer me a harder opinion,
help me find a more rational
understanding for something.
I have a son who's extremely smart.
And he's sensitive.
And?
He went to heaven.
And then he came back.
- Your son had a near-death experience?
- No, he didn't die.
We checked his surgical reports.
His heart never stopped,
his brain activity never flatlined.
- So, why do you say he went to heaven?
- Because he says he did.
At the point near death,
the body releases hormones that can
induce a state of peace, even bliss.
Our brains fill in the blanks.
Christians see Jesus, Jews see Moses,
Muslims see Muhammad.
Yeah, I read your article, but my son
saw things that I can't really explain.
He saw me praying. He saw me
shouting at God. He saw his mother
in another wing calling friends,
asking them to pray for us.
All the while, he was in surgery.
- Reverend Burpo...
- Todd.
Todd.
Is it unusual for your wife
to call friends in a time of crisis?
No. No, it's not.
And is it unusual for you to pray?
Or become passionate when you do?
No. No. Of course not. But I know my son.
And when he talks about heaven,
it doesn't sound like something
he's making up.
He's very specific. He's four.
- And he's extremely smart.
- Yes. Both of my kids are.
Reverend...
Todd, I don't mean to discount
whatever magic it is
you derive from all of this,
but there are many explanations,
even for extrasensory knowledge.
Is it really easier to believe in that
or clairvoyance or telepathy
than it is life after the physical?
Believe in miracles?
I've found such concepts
to be a bit circular.
Even before I watched my husband die.
Let me ask you,
did you come here today because
you were wondering about my faith?
Or were you wondering about your own?
Thanks for your time.
You're welcome.
What if you have an encounter so far
beyond your own experience that it's
irrational?
What then?
This looks like trouble here.
- Todd, we're so happy about Colton.
- Thank you.
Thanks. Thank you very much.
See you later. Good.
There he is.
- How are you doing, buddy?
- Good. How are you?
How's that Colton doing today?
Is he back to torturing his sister?
Yes.
I need some advice, smart advice.
Well, I am not smart,
so you came to the right guy.
I know that.
Nothing but clumsy,
inaccurate advice available here.
I've been expecting to
see you a little sooner.
- What do you mean?
- Well, I'm your banker.
I didn't come here for a loan.
Not the bank's money,
just from a friend to a friend.
Let me help you out, okay?
Nobody would have to know.
I'd know.
I never wanted to be the guy
who stands up there in the pulpit
asking people to give to charity
when all he does is take it.
It's not charity.
It's a loan from a friend to a friend.
I know you need the help.
It's what real people do.
I don't.
Well, then you didn't come here
for smart advice.
I don't think the church has kept
your salary in line with
the new members that you've brought in.
I think you deserve a raise.
Let me talk to the board,
see what I can do.
I didn't come here for a raise, either.
All right. Good. I didn't want to ask them.
What can I do for you?
It's Colton.
He's been talking about this...
We ask these kids to believe this stuff
and I don't even know
if I believe it myself, Jay.
What?
Colton is what I'm trying to tell you about.
He's been saying things I don't understand.
He's talking about these conversations
in heaven.
I used to go out with a flight attendant
whose son had extensive conversations
with Barney the dinosaur.
- Do you know how irritating Barney is?
- Yeah.
- He's purple.
- Exactly, exactly.
The Bible tells us to believe his children.
What my child's telling me
will get me laughed out of this town.
That's what I'm saying.
I don't know what to preach.
I don't have anything to say.
Just speak from the heart, Todd,
like you always do.
What about fear do we struggle with?
Is it confusion?
Is it doubt? Is it questions?
I got questions.
We all do. Maybe we ought to just...
Maybe we ought to try that today.
Just see if
Do you want to try questions?
- Hey, Todd.
- Yeah?
- My family and I prayed for you a lot.
- Thank you. Thank you, Michael.
We're just wondering, how bad was it?
"How bad?" it was awful.
I mean, a lot of us heard that
Colton died during the operation
and prayers brought him back to life.
No, he didn't die on the operating table.
He, you know, came mighty close,
but I think it was the doctors,
through God and all of your prayers,
that kept him alive
and so thank you all for that.
- So, how did you handle it?
- Not well.
But the important thing is that
the Burpos faced a significant challenge
and they came through it. Amen.
Amen.
That's the thing, though.
Thank you for that, Jay,
but I don't know that I did come through.
Colton's experience makes me wonder.
About what, exactly, Todd?
He's just been telling us about
his experiences, talking
about them.
When he was in the operation,
Colton visited heaven.
But you said he didn't die.
He didn't, but he saw heaven.
- He saw Jesus and angels and...
- But how?
I don't know.
- Reverend Burpo.
- Todd.
Todd. Some of the hospital staff have said,
off the record,
that your son was not expected to survive
and used the word "miracle".
- How would you explain that?
- I haven't even tried to do that.
Can you try?
If he didn't die, how could he see heaven?
I don't know, but he did.
Do you believe he was in heaven?
I know he saw something.
It sure sounded like heaven.
Good Lord,
what's happened to our preacher?
Well, I thought that went well, huh?
Nice view.
I love being up so high.
Colton! Hey!
I thought I asked you
to stop playing with that!
- I'm sorry, Dad!
- I told him not to, Dad!
Half the church wants to stop feeling
and start thinking.
And the other half,
they want the exact opposite.
This is Todd.
Yeah.
Let me call you back.
That was the newspaper.
They want to do an article about heaven.
And?
And they want to interview Colton.
And you think that's a good idea?
So, Colton, a lot of people
were praying for you.
I guess.
Well, that must feel good.
Come over here, buddy.
You're being interviewed.
Thank you.
You were very sick.
What did it feel like to die?
- I didn't die.
- But you went to heaven?
That's a little off-topic.
It's beautiful.
You saw heaven?
What does it look like?
Like here, but even more beautiful.
And you saw Jesus?
Yeah.
He's very nice. I sat on his lap.
He has markers.
Markers?
Yeah. Right here and right here
and right here and right here.
Can I go swing on the swing some more?
Yeah.
So, Jesus has a horse?
There are lots of animals in heaven.
They don't believe me, do they?
Some people might be afraid to believe.
- What are they afraid of?
- I don't know.
Maybe they're afraid
that there's no heaven.
Or maybe they're afraid that there is.
You believe me, Daddy, don't you?
I believe God loves you. And so do I.
Can I get your picture?
- What's that?
- Can I take your picture?
Yeah.
And...
Thank you.
- Hello?
- Oh, hi, Jay. Have you seen this?
Yeah, I read it a couple of times.
It's quite an article.
I love Todd, but I love our church, too.
And I really can't stand to see it
turn into some kind of circus.
- Why don't we get together?
- Yeah, I think that's a good idea.
- Okay, thank you.
- Okay.
- Bye-bye.
- All right, bye-bye.
No, that's okay.
Actually, I'm going to get out of here.
No, no. It's on me, buddy.
- What do you mean?
- It's on me.
- No. No. No. No. I got this.
- No. It's on me.
Sonja gives Rosa clothes for Miguelito
whenever Colton outgrows anything.
And she gave Lucia a baby dress that
an angel would wear.
- A pink dress?
- Yeah, beautiful.
So, please, give me the
gift of giving back.
Okay. Thanks a lot.
- All right.
- Bye. Bye, sweetie.
Say bye. bye.
Hey. Hey, Burpo.
Hey, next time there's a fire,
maybe you should tell Jesus that
instead of walking on the water,
he could just dump it all on your fire.
Right?
Come on. You gotta see the humor in it.
Kayla, pass it to me.
Come on. Yeah.
Hey, Cassie, did your brother
really sit on Jesus' lap?
Did he ask for a new bicycle
or a magic DOW?
Hello. This is Todd.
Yeah.
Well, I'm surprised to hear that.
Can you hold on?
Honey, did you punch
a kid in the nose today?
With your fist?
In the nose?
Yep.
But not one kid. Two.
What was the reason, honey?
She hits good when she wants to.
I'm sorry. Can I call you right back?
No, honey. I think we should
talk about this right now.
If you punched somebody,
there must have been a good reason for it.
They were making fun of Colton.
They made fun about him
sitting on Jesus' lap.
Honey, you know you should have
turned the other cheek, though, right?
I did turn his other cheek. When I hit him.
Is Cassie going to get a spanking?
Heck, no.
I'm just going to teach her to hit
without hurting her knuckles.
Hey-
Are you having trouble sleeping?
No. Are you?
Yeah.
It's pretty cool what
Cassie did today, huh?
Yeah. It's pretty cool.
Do you want to talk?
Sure.
Great. I like our talks.
Can we talk about heaven?
What would you like to know?
What did Jesus look like?
He's kind of hard to describe.
I'll bet.
Did he look
maybe like a picture you've seen?
How about...
- Did he look like that?
- The clothes. Not the face.
This one?
- This?
- No. Jesus has light eyes.
What color?
Bluish or green.
Bluish-greenish.
- Here.
- Hey.
- Did you get enough sleep?
- Not much.
So, he says that Jesus has light eyes.
Greenish blue.
Yours are green, mine are blue.
He's seeing us.
It's quite a compliment, really.
In college, I read something about
our own personal concept of God
comes from our feelings about our father.
I sure hope not. Mine had issues.
If our kids, they grow up believing that
they are loved the way you love them,
the luckiest kids alive.
- We've got a fire.
- We sure have.
I'm going to take care of that one,
come home, and add to this, all right?
I'll be here.
- Get two hoses on that car!
- No, no, no.
- They're in there!
- Who?
My family, they're in there!
- You've got a search?
- Yeah, he's saying they're in there.
Todd, you're in.
Let's go, let's run another one.
Here, you'll need this.
Keep him back.
Let's go, let's go!
- That's hot! That's hot!
- You can't go in there!
Hello? Is anyone here?
Hello?
It's clear! It's clear!
Charge. Clear. Shock.
Charge. Clear. Shock.
Colton, this is just a visit,
but before you go back,
I want you to meet someone.
I heard you gave Michael and Rosa
a baby present.
Yeah, I thought they could use it.
- Let's go out.
- What?
Yeah. Call Sheila. She'll watch them.
- Tonight?
- Yeah.
Honey, no, we can't afford it.
That charity auction last
year, dinner for two.
Maple Grove restaurant,
your favorite place.
- We used that already.
- No, we did not.
- We did. What are you doing?
- No, we did not. We did not.
The darker the night,
the brighter they are.
Like you.
Yeah, you're good.
It's my best stuff.
It's getting darker, though.
We're out of money.
We're out of credit, too.
And the church board called me today.
They want to sit down with you
and talk about where we're at as a church.
Why didn't they call me?
I don't think they wanted you to think that
they were putting you on the spot.
Because they are putting you on the spot.
Todd, we're prepared for you
to have all kinds of struggles,
and we're here to support you
during those times.
We've extended a leave of absence.
- Twice.
- Twice, right.
So, I think you're aware the church
is not doing very well without you
and so we need to know
what to plan for in the close future.
The question for me isn't whether you're
preaching, it's what you're preaching.
Colton's trip to heaven disturbs
a lot of people. it disturbs me.
Do you take it as a literal event?
Well, for him, it's not imaginary.
It's not a metaphor or a feeling.
It happened.
And I take that seriously. I just
don't know what to make of it. You know?
What about it bothers you so much?
What is it? I mean, I want to talk
about it. I need to talk about it.
All right. I don't like that it feels like
some fairy tale,
just a simple, easy explanation of life.
I don't like that.
Okay. So, because it appeals
to simple people?
No. No. Yeah.
Okay. I don't like how it makes our church
a magnet for everyone who
wants to take the brain out of their head
and beat it to death with the Bible
and then seem to want to show off
how much they believe.
Heaven and hell have always been concepts
that have been used to control
and frighten people.
That's one way to look at it, but
all Colton's ever talked about is heaven
and how it's a beautiful place.
Todd, what do you plan on preaching?
All of us have times when we lose our way.
That's when we look to leaders.
If you're going to lead this church,
you've got to make a decision.
All right. I say that we give
Todd a little bit more time.
One more week.
But in the meantime, we need to start
planning for the future of our church
and looking for someone else.
Here you go. B-U-R-P-O.
Yeah, we've got everything ready
to settle your account today.
I can't do that today.
I had an unforeseen situation.
- You're not going to settle today?
- Not today.
Well, you are aware that we have
extended your accounts twice already.
- I think it's been one extension.
- No, it's been twice.
And they are going to collections
as we speak.
Okay, but the collections
is not something that...
Hey, Colton.
Hospital policy demands that I tell you
your account is going to collections.
Colton.
Colton!
Hey, come here.
Colton!
- I need to tell them. Please.
- Come here.
Yes, sweetie.
They don't look like that.
It's all right. No one will ever hurt you.
Come on, guys, WW UP-
Mom's got a music conference today.
Hurry, hurry-
Hey, you didn't tell me
how the church board meeting went.
They've started looking for somebody else.
Guys, let's go, come on.
Go brush your teeth.
Well, we'll figure it out.
You didn't come to bed
until it was almost dawn.
I was researching near-death experiences.
- Are you all right?
- It's fine!
- It's fine. I mean, don't you think that...
- Hey! What?
...we need to be talking about this life?
Not the next one.
I'm right here.
What do you want to talk about?
We need to make sure
our children are safe and they are happy.
- And that they are normal!
- Happy, yes! And normal! I agree!
I have to go out to that
service for that loner
who died after the fire in his motor home.
He didn't have any friends or next of kin.
- You've got Colton today.
- I'm going to take him with me.
Great.
He's never been freaked out
in those situations. He's a lot of comfort.
For the dead man or for you?
Touch.
Touch. Touch.
Our Father who art in heaven,
hallowed be Thy name.
Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day, our daily bread.
Aim. Begin.
- You had a grandpa named "Pop", right?
- That's right.
Was he your daddy's daddy
or your mommy's daddy?
He was my mom's dad.
He died when I was about your age.
He's very nice.
You saw Pop? You saw my grandfather?
You saw him?
- Where did you see him?
- In heaven.
I loved my grandfather very much.
He was there with me
when my father couldn't be.
He taught me to weld.
He gave me that slingshot.
I know. We play with it.
That's right. And he was a good man.
He was a really good man,
but I don't know what he believed in.
None of us did.
I think
he's one of the reasons
your dad became a minister.
I was hoping he would get a break
getting into heaven then.
You don't have to worry, Dad. He's there.
He came up to me and told me he was
your grandfather and you called him "Pop".
And he held me in his lap
just like Jesus did.
And he told me everything was all right.
Okay, look at this.
Is this him? Is this the man you saw?
No. That's not who I saw.
Okay, but just look. Are you sure? Colton?
Nobody wears glasses in heaven.
Can I go play?
Because when Mom gets home...
Are you sure that's not him?
- It's not him.
- Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.
- When Mom gets home...
- Mom will be home in a second.
Just wait one second. Wait.
Colton?
That's him. That's Pop.
In heaven, everybody's young.
Are you okay, Dad?
An awful lot happened to you in heaven.
Yeah, it was amazing.
Todd, dinner is going
to be ready in five...
Are you okay?
Colton saw Pop.
In heaven. My grandfather.
I don't know what to make of this.
Well, I don't have the luxury
of not knowing, Sonja.
I don't. Everything he tells me,
it hits me, you know?
And I want to believe him.
Okay, I want to believe him. He's four.
He's four. He's so innocent,
he can't be making this up,
but everything he talks
about is impossible.
It is a massive adventure
that he's created.
He's talking about Jesus,
seeing Jesus' horse.
He talks about choirs of angels
and my grandfather.
It would take weeks or days,
but, "For God a day is a thousand years. "
"And a thousand years but a day. "
I'm just saying that's scripture.
It's scripture. There's no clock.
There's no clock.
Einstein talks about the same thing.
- "Some reality is beyond time. "
- Why can't it just be a mystery?
Because I think God might be
trying to reach out to us through Colton.
That's what I think.
What Colton is telling us, Todd,
is an echo of every story,
every song, every image
he's seen since he was a child.
Why does this have to be a myth? Why?
I don't know. I don't know how to move on
with my life.
Tell me what to do.
I don't know.
All I care about is if my husband
and my family know that I love them.
I'm sorry I can't help
you with any of this.
Well, I'm here.
Where are you?
Please accept this flag
as a symbol of our appreciation
for your loved one's
honorable and faithful service.
Your son was a hero. He
died a brave marine.
You.
I always figured it was Jay leaving
flags and flowers here on my son's grave.
I failed you, Nancy.
The worst moment of your life,
loss beyond comprehension, and I had...
I had nothing for you.
No comfort.
No hope.
No peace.
- I should have maybe...
- No, you didn't let me down.
You couldn't take my pain away
and I didn't want it gone.
For a while, pain was all I had of him.
You don't have to save the world, Todd.
I believe that's already been done.
Since that meeting at the church
where I was the bitter woman
I swore I'd never be,
I've been thinking.
It's not the people of
the church I'm mad at.
And it's not you. Not your son.
It's God.
Why God would give you your son back
and take mine away.
When Colton was in that hospital,
I saw he was dying
and some part of me broke.
Some part that still hasn't mended.
Nancy, you don't ever
have to apologize to me
for any broken part you carry.
Do you think...
I have to ask.
Do you think my son went to heaven?
Do you love your son still?
Of course.
- Do you think I love mine?
- I know you do.
Do you think I love my son
more than you love yours?
No.
Do you think God loves my son
more than he loves yours?
Mommy?
Yes, Colton.
Did you know I have a sister?
Yes, Colton, of course,
I know you have a sister.
I didn't know.
You didn't know that Cassie is your sister?
No, I have two sisters.
You had a baby die in your tummy,
didn't you?
Honey, who told you
I had a baby die in my tummy?
She told me she died in your tummy.
What does she look like?
Like Cassie, but a little smaller.
And hair like yours.
In heaven, this little girl came up to me
and she wouldn't stop hugging me.
Honey, what did... What was her name?
She didn't have a name.
You guys didn't name her.
You're right. We didn't. We...
We didn't know that she was a "she".
- Are you okay, Mommy?
- Yeah.
We lost a baby, sweetheart,
just a few months before she was...
Todd.
That's our baby. That's our little girl.
She's okay.
I don't want to be late for school today
and the phone's ringing!
I'll get it.
- H i.
- Pastor Todd Burpo?
This is Todd.
Great. We're live on the
air with Todd Burpo.
Can you tell us about
your son's adventure in heaven?
- On the air?
- Dad!
Everybody here in Imperial
followed the story of your son's sickness
and people all over town
were praying for his recovery.
Now we're starting to hear of
an amazing trip he took to heaven.
Can you tell us about that?
Come by Crossroads Wesleyan Church
on Sunday.
I'll tell you all about it.
Here's my heart now
Take and seal it
Seal it for Thy courts above
Here's my heart now
Take and seal it
Seal it for Thy courts
Above
I love you.
I'm standing here today with
wounds that are still healing,
fears that are still echoing
and in that way, maybe some of you are
sitting here this morning exactly like me.
I can say truthfully that
the pain that I suffered,
it was nothing compared to
watching my son that close to death.
So, now we've got a question.
Was Colton in heaven?
Yes.
He was in the heaven that God showed him.
Is heaven real?
'Cause, if heaven is for real,
we'd all lead different lives, wouldn't we?
Would we?
Really? Haven't we already seen heaven?
In the first cry of a baby,
the courage of a friend,
the hands of a nurse or a doctor,
the love of a mother or father.
Haven't we already had a glimpse
of heaven and so often chosen the hell
of hate and fear?
Is heaven for real? Every single
one of you has asked that question.
All of us have. And for me, the answer...
It's "yes. "
I see it, so I believe it.
And what we believe
changes what we perceive.
And I believe that God, he's love.
Ten thousand times I've been here
and I've talked about
"On earth as it is in heaven. "
And I don't know that I
ever listened to that.
And my son, he saw something.
He saw heaven.
He'll tell you all about Jesus.
How about that name? "Jesus. "
"Jesus?
It creates so much hope in so many of you,
so much distrust in so many others.
That's okay.
I believe God asked me to be a pastor.
Did he insist on my vision
being the same as yours? Or yours?
Of course not.
Did he make me one those heroes like
that lion and the bear and unicorn
I preached about?
No. That's what I wanted.
God had a different plan.
God crushed my pride.
He opened my heart
to love.
And all I have to do,
the one thing this love requires
is that I let others
know they're not alone.
So amazing.
Welcome back. Good work, buddy.
It's good to see you.
Hey, Randy.
Are things okay over there?
What? What? What was that?
- Hey, thanks very much, John.
- You're welcome.
Thanks. You, too. I am.
Hey, Ray.
She picked up the brush
when she was just six years old.
But the visions...
- Mom, can I have some lemonade, please?
- Of course.
...started when she was just four.
- Look at this on CNN.
- She's a self-taught painter.
It's about a girl on the
other side of the world
who had an experience a lot like Colton's.
She saw visions of heaven.
Look at this. Angels.
She began to describe to her mother
in great detail...
Look at this, honey. This is incredible.
...her visits to heaven.
- It's nice, honey, but I have
got to talk to you. - Okay.
Okay, but she's...
At the age of four,
she began to describe her visits to heaven.
See?
Colton? Are you okay?
That's him.
That's...
But... Colton.
That's him?
That's who you saw? Colton, come here.
- I've got to talk to you.
- Come on. This is...
Hey, I want to talk to you.
He told me that painting back there
that girl saw is what Colton saw.
Todd, you know that little baby-blue
outfit we keep in the drawer?
Todd, we're going to need this.
Really?
- Really?
- Yeah.
- Wow.
- I know.
- Wow, when did you find out?
- Yesterday.