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How to Lose Seven Billion Pounds (2018)
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Together fell spectacularly apart. RADIO NEWS: The troubled construction firm, Carillion, has been placed into liquidation... Well, it's difficult to understate the significance of Carillion's collapse... The Carillion scandal exposed a vast firm taking billions of pounds of public money that for years had cooked its books... He would simply say to the management, "Go back and do the numbers again." ...run by directors who walked from the wreckage massively enriched... They justified big bonuses to themselves. Mr Howson, will you give your bonuses back? No. ...leaving hospitals unbuilt and smaller firms with over a billion pounds of unpaid bills. The simple word to use is abuse. Tonight, for the first time, insiders reveal what really happened at the super giant. It was a culture of fear and confusion, and I think deliberately so. Why did those meant to protect the British people stand by and watch it happen? It's a shame that the regulators didn't see what other people saw. Why did the government promise Carillion hundreds of millions of pounds of public money, as the company careered towards the edge? The government should not have given Carillion so much work, and it didn't have to do it. As the ruins of Carillion lie around her, will the Prime Minister act to end this costly racket of the relationship between government and some of these companies? Hear, hear. Carillion went bust with liabilities of up to 7 billion. But this is a story about way more than one company. It's about whether the British public can have faith in private firms delivering public services. It's about jaw-dropped failures at the heart of our business and political establishments. And it's about how capitalism in this country really works - or fails to work. How can a scandal on the scale of Carillion have been allowed to happen? And how can we make sure it never happens again? This time last year, Carillion was one of the UK's biggest construction firms, boasting annual revenues of over 5 billion and hundreds of public contracts. It built hospitals, it built schools, it built roads, it built bridges. It made sure the trains ran on time. This company was not just a construction company, it affected all of our lives. Founded in 1999, Carillion scored an early triumph on the South Bank of the Thames. As the millennium dawned, the vast Tate Modern Gallery rose from the shell of an old power station. It was a spectacular achievement for a brand new firm. Carillion was clearly very ambitious from the outset. It bought a number of companies, hundreds of millions of pounds, it bolted them together to form this, if you like, contracting super group. It acquired McAlpine, Mowlem, a bit of John Laing, and it also made acquisitions overseas as well. So it wasn't just trying to be big in the UK, it was trying to be big all round the world. But it didn't seem to be constrained by caution. It didn't seem to be constrained by the fact that it had its fingers in so many different pies and so many different areas. And it didn't seem to be constrained in its corporate ambition, in that it kept buying other companies. As Carillion's construction empire spread across the world, it began pursing another huge source of profits, as the UK Government outsourced more and more public services to private companies. Traditionally, builders built things, but now builders were getting into all kinds of other business too, from delivering school meals to cleaning prisons and collecting rubbish. These state contracts plugged builders into a hydrant of public money. Carillion sucked up all it could get. Outsourcing was soon Carillion's biggest earner. But the good times weren't to last. Stock markets have gone into freefall after the collapse of Lehman Brothers... There is unease, there is uncertainty... After the financial crisis of 2008, successive governments tried to drive down costs for public services, prioritising the lowest bids from private companies, even if the numbers were unrealistic. According to a recent Parliamentary inquiry, that meant poorer public services and lower profits for companies like Carillion. Carillion had two options. It could choose to accept less profit, or it could change the way it did the sums on a particular project to make it look as if the project was making profit, was making money. Unfortunately, Carillion chose the latter option. Unseen by the public, Carillion began to hide the serious financial trouble it was getting into. Among the unsuspecting victims were the people of Liverpool, who'd been promised a replacement for their ramshackled old hospital, to the relief of one local MP. We were expecting a new hospital in Liverpool, the university was expected with all its frontier work that it's doing in dealing with cancer. This was to be a major breakthrough. Carillion's new Royal Liverpool University Hospital was meant to be a national flagship, proving how private companies could deliver cutting edge services for the NHS. But it soon ran into problems. First, asbestos was discovered on the site. Then, cracks appeared in massive concrete beams already embedded into the hospital. An internal Carillion report said the company was on course to lose millions on the project. That warning was overridden by management. They publicly claimed the hospital would make a profit, setting down over 50 million of additional revenue in the company accounts. In reality, the Royal Liverpool was making big losses, but now it looked, at least on paper, like a big earner. And the Royal Liverpool wasn't a one-off. Carillion had problems all over the place. It had the Midland Met, it had Battersea Power Station, it had the Aberdeen bypass, all of them late, all over budget. Time and again, Carillion reported as profitable projects that were really making massive losses. But who at Carillion was responsible for all this behind the scenes aggressive accounting? Richard Howson became Carillion's chief executive in 2012 at the age of 43. Richard Howson was an engineer by training. I suspect he remained somebody who understood building, understood contracts, because that was his bread and butter, but when it came to understanding how a big company works he was not so hot. After the collapse, Carillion's former directors appeared before a House of Commons Select Committee, one of several investigations into the scandal. My name's Richard Howson. I worked with Carillion for 22 years, just over. One committee member was former criminal barrister Antoinette Sandbach. Richard Howson wasn't a details person. He wasn't drilling down sufficiently. In fact, Richard Howson was running around the Middle East trying to pick up payments. He was effectively a debt collector. Did you really think he was across the numbers? I felt that he probably wasn't across the numbers. I think Richard Adam was across the numbers. Richard Adam was Carillion's finance director until a year before its collapse. He was meant to be junior to CEO Richard Howson. Good morning. My name is Richard Adam. I believe during my tenure the company was healthy. One man who dealt with Carillion's senior management is financial analyst Stephen Rawlinson. As he explains in his first TV interview, he had serious concerns about Richard Adam. If I was in an analyst meeting and a question came from the floor which related to finance, Richard Howson was chief executive, so normally you'd expect him to invite the FD to give an answer. That didn't happen with Carillion, it was most unusual. Richard Adam would come in straightaway and answer the question at quite a pace, in order to actually make sure that he was the one who was consistently answering all those questions. Richard was a very forceful character. What he was able to do is use accounting treatments to deceive... That's a hard word, sorry, to create the impression the company being in a healthier financial situation than it was. Finance supremo Richard Adam's dominance is confirmed by members of Carillion's senior staff, some of whom are starting to speak out. I think he was absolutely totally responsible for that culture. You know, I think in their terms it was fearful, you know, it was get this done because, you know, otherwise there'll be consequences. When the numbers didn't come to where he wanted them to be, he would simply say to the management go back and do the numbers again. Richard Adam told us he doesn't recognise these views, and he's not aware of any such accusations being raised while he worked at Carillion. Meanwhile, the company strove to win more and more contracts, even for tiny or non-existent profits. This was a legal form of Ponzi scheme. Ponzi schemes are scams, whereby you get promised big investment returns, but they're not really returns at all, it's just the people behind the scheme going out and getting new money in the door and paying it to you and pretending that it's an investment return. Carillion was doing the same thing. Eventually, both Ponzi schemes and Carillion cannot get enough new money through the door and they collapse. To complete the illusion, shareholders were lavished with rising dividend payments each and every year. They were trying to make this company always look better than it was. Dividends are a signal to shareholders that "look, everything's fine", and therefore keeps the share price up. It also justifies bonuses to directors. In 2013, Richard Howson and Richard Adam between them took home pay packets of almost 2 million. But it was a different story for the 30,000 smaller firms, from builders to plumbers to gardeners, Carillion relied on to actually do the work. Near Cambridge, Andy Bradley's business was under increasing pressure. We started working for Carillion in 2004. They were using every trick in the book to delay paying people. We started off on 45 clays, then it went to 65 days. They would delay issuing purchase orders for work, so that you couldn't actually send an invoice in. Very difficult, particularly in December, Christmas time, where we tend to pay the staff early. They just didn't seem to bother about that. The simple word to use is abuse. It was so incredibly irresponsible, and I suspect that it was done because it was possible to do so, it was possible to get away with it for so many years. But things were about to change. Even though the government kept throwing public money at Carillion, a small number of sharp-eyed investors here in the City of London began to suspect that something wasn't quite right. And as Carillion pushed the fantasy ever further, its secrets would start to leak out. You can't run a business forever, without the company generating cash. Somewhere along the line, it has to give, and it gave. Spring 2013. From their Wolverhampton headquarters, the directors of construction super giant Carillion had convinced the world their company was a success. But for some, the accounts didn't quite stack up. My name is Tim Steer, and up to 2015, I was a hedge fund manager. Hedge funds are investors who forensically analyse company accounts, making bets on who will succeed and who will fail. One of the things to remember in looking at a set of accounts is that cash is fact and everything else is a matter of opinion. And there were a couple of things in the balance sheet that concerned me from early on. One, Carillion never seemed to generate cash and, secondly, the debt throughout the year was much, much higher than the debt they reported in the balance sheet. The company's accounts is an iceberg. If you see something bad above the waterline, there's bound to be a lot worse below the waterline. So, get frightened. Now, hedge fund managers like Tim Steer started betting against Carillion, gambling its shares would plummet, as the company headed for trouble. Over four years before Carillion collapsed, there were clear warning lights going off across the City of London, yet still the Government kept awarding the company vast public sector contracts. And things were about to get even worse - the financial black hole of the heart of Carillion would soon grow even bigger. With its suppliers under pressure, another vast group who relied on Carillion were about to suffer too - the 27,000 members of the company's pension schemes. While splashing out ever-rising dividends, Carillion had run up a pensions shortfall of hundreds of millions of pounds. The man in charge of Carillion's pension funds tried to convince the company to bring that shortfall down, as he explains in his first TV interview since the collapse. Of the company, and they weren't prepared to pay that. Were we worried for members? Yes, we were. Did we do our best to try and recover it? Yes, we did. And the difference in this case, which was unique in my experience, was that they were in a non-negotiating mode. What's it like negotiating with Richard Adam? Well, he's a tough guy, and it's because he's a tough guy that he was hired by the company. And it's up to the chairman of the pension trustees... To negotiate their way out of it. ..the regulator and the law... Yeah. ...to push back. Yes. But he wasn't in negotiating mode. He was struggling to be in negotiating mode. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. And he signs the cheque and I don't. There's not much more we can do to force him to sign up, apart from embarrass him, and they weren't embarrassed. In April 2013, Robin Ellison called a meeting with the Pensions' Regulator, the UK's official watchdog. The Pensions' Regulator exists to make sure that UK pension schemes are properly run. It has to the power to force companies to pay more into their pension funds. But despite the pleas of Robin Ellison on behalf of 27,000 Carillion pension scheme members, and the millions draining out of the company each year in dividends and bonuses, the Pensions' Regulator made a few empty threats and did nothing. The Pensions' Regulator has argued it was pressured by the Government to be friendlier to business. So Carillion's management got their way and the pension shortfall got bigger. They didn't act quickly enough. That's what they're there for. They're there to protect us, the consumers, us the small shareholders, us the pensioners, and those receiving services from Carillion. And I really think the regulators need to step up to the plate. A major public watchdog had failed to stand up to Carillion. But while meetings continued behind closed doors, news of the company's lack of cash was about to go public. In March 2015, the investment bank, UBS, had a look at Carillion, and they produced a note for their investors saying sell... Sell their shares. UBS pointed out Carillion's vast pension shortfall and the huge sums owed to thousands of suppliers. It wasn't feasible, said UBS, for Carillion to flatter its accounts any longer. For years, hedge funds had privately questioned Carillion's accounts, but this was different. Now UBS, a mainstream Swiss megabank, was publicly raising concerns about the true level of Carillion's debts. It was a clear warning that Carillion, which was getting over a billion pounds a year of taxpayers' money, was heading for trouble. But as board minutes reveal, the man in charge of the money at the company didn't seem worried. Richard Adam felt that statement was "disappointing". Adam said, "These are issues that could apply to any organisation." But UBS wasn't talking about any organisation. These issues were specific to Carillion, specific reasons it was heading for trouble. I'm not sure to what extent Richard Adam was revealing the true position to the board. Richard Adam at the time was very aloof, seen as very controlling. He made the numbers look better, without tackling the fundamental issues in the company, which is what a director should do, right? He was being allowed to run all of the financial aspects of the business without proper interrogation or questioning. Richard Adam told MPs he didn't produce numbers that misled his colleagues and that he acted with complete transparency. He's also told us that throughout his time at Carillion all of its accounts were approved by the board and audited. Adam's work was meant to be overseen by Carillion's board of directors. Part-time non-executive directors took home between 28 and 60,000 a year. In the company's own words they were there to "challenge the business". They were shameful in this. It was their duty to go in and to stand up and say this is actually unacceptable, and they didn't. They were totally addicted to the teat of those large cheques. Chairman of the Board was Philip Green, not the retail tycoon, but the well-connected former advisor to Downing Street on corporate responsibility. How much did you draw out of the company, Mr Green? My fee as a non-executive was about 50,000, and my fee as a chairman was 220,000. So in total, since 2011 you've got - you had? I estimated about 900,000 over seven years. MPs have concluded that Philip Green was one of those to blame for Carillion's collapse. He says he disagrees with many of their conclusions, but can't comment because of ongoing investigations. Industry heavyweight Paul Lester has led some of Britain's biggest construction companies. The bottom line is the board is responsible - full stop. You know, the chairman, the non-execs and the executives are responsible for a company's performance. You can have hard luck stories, you can have good luck stories, but at the end of the day, it's about those people that manage the business. One to ten, ten's a good job, how did the board do? Who am I to say? I'm a chairman sitting on various boards. You're one of the most experienced construction executives in this country. I mean, the obvious answer to that is one. But if the board were asleep at the wheel, others weren't. From late 2015, around a quarter of Carillion shares were used by hedge funds in bets that the company's value was going to collapse. That was for more than any other company on the London Stock Exchange. The business model at Carillion just wasn't working. It wasn't generating cash. You can't keep going back to banks, can't keep going back to shareholders, can't keep extending credit from sub-contractors to keep your business on the road. But if the hedge funds and UBS were warning Carillion was heading for trouble, what was the reaction from the company's biggest customer? The UK Government had hundreds of contracts run by Carillion, from delivering school meals to maintaining houses for soldiers. It said it knew about the warnings and discussed them with Carillion's management. The government operates a traffic light system for major suppliers. Companies with no known issues are labelled green. Those causing concerns are amber, while significant concerns mean red. Government officials say Carillion assured them the hedge funds were wrong. So throughout 2016, the company stayed on amber. Meanwhile, Carillion had just been awarded another huge government contract to build the Midland Met super hospital near Birmingham. Two years later, it's still a building site. Few have more insider experience of how the government spends public money than Sirjohn Bourn. As Head of the National Audit Office for two decades, he scrutinised public expenditure, but has never given a TV interview until Carillion. The Government should not, in my view, have given Carillion so much work. And it didn't have to do it. You could see that Carillion was in trouble. It was all rather like, I thought, a Ponzi scheme, because it was taking small contracts as a way of keeping the bigger contracts going. How would you describe the Government scrutiny of Carillion? I was surprised that the Government had gone on giving it contracts. Here's an enormous strategic suppfien We would have raised the question - are you sure this is what you want to do? How much do you actually know about Carillion? Have you looked at the newspapers, aren't you worried about what you read there? So many hedge funds were betting against its continuance, and that was open for everyone to see. How would you sum up the Government's scrutiny of Carillion? Inadequate. Yet, even the huge public contracts it won couldn't shore up Carillion's debt-soaked foundations. And in 2016, directors drained yet more cash out of the company in another record shareholder dividend. The trick they were playing was borrowing money to keep paying dividend payments on the basis that if we do that, nobody will look much at the account. A company with hundreds of government contracts, with billions of pounds of taxpayers' money is issuing accounts that you think were deliberately opaque. I think it's more than deliberately opaque. They were there to mislead. In 2016, Richard Howson and Richard Adam between them took home bonuses of nearly 400,000. Then in December that year, Richard Adam retired from Carillion. Just three months after he left, he sold every single Carillion share he held, washing his hands of any stake in the company's future and netting himself over half a million pounds. Richard Adam gave his own explanation for selling those shares to MPs investigating Carillion's collapse. I don't have a share portfolio. I don't own shares of any substance in any company. I don't take that sort of risk. At least one committee member wasn't convinced. To me, the evidence that he gave stretched credulity. Do you think he was being deliberately vague? I think he was evasive. That's quite a strong word. Yes. How would you sum up the evidence that you heard from Richard Adam? Suspicious. Richard Adam told us he rejects the accusations made about him in this programme. He says he discharged his duties in good faith and to the best of his abilities. Richard Adam told MPs investigating Carillion's collapse that their searing conclusions about his role, independently echoed in this film by insiders and other industry experts, were unjustified and unwarranted. The timing of Richard Adam's retirement worked out well. A year after he left Carillion, the half a million pounds of shares he'd sold were worth not a single penny. Spring 2017. Carillion had constructed a fortress of phoney profits and mounting debts. But how long before it all came tumbling down? So, this is Carillion's 2016 annual report. Pre-tax profits were apparently 178 million, and based on that, Carillion paid out a blockbuster 79 million dividend, a record even for this big spending company. But was this a genuine annual report, or was it a work of fiction? The balance sheets projected a sense of wellbeing, but actually, when you dug down, there were certainly issues. It looked to me as if debt was actually understated. For someone who bothered to look at them and enquire, they were a very poor set of accounts. I think the company was essentially insolvent as far back as 2016, and possibly even before then. And the question is how did the accounting standards allow them to get away with this and what were the auditors thinking of? KPMG were Carillion's auditors throughout the 19 years of the company's existence. Each year, they'd sign off on figures provided by Carillion, certifying that the accounts showed a true and fair picture. In return, KPMG pocketed 29 million in fees, and never once did they warn of the catastrophe to come. KPMG maintain they acted appropriately and responsibly at Carillion, but if that's so, what's the point of auditors? Auditors cannot just tick boxes and say this meets the rules, that's fine. They have to challenge. They have to question. They don't do that at the moment. The 2016 annual report had one more telling detail. Tucked away on page 78 was a change to the rules governing bonuses. According to these new company rules, the only reasons for senior executives to hand back their bonuses would be a restatement of accounts, or if they were prosecuted for gross misconduct, both highly unlikely. Nowhere do these new rules say that bonuses would be handed back if the company collapsed. Carillion claimed the change made it easier to claw back bonuses. Directors should be accountable for their failings and they should not be rewarded for them. But to change it then, just before the implosion, months, weeks before. It was really disgusting. And if they have been shown to made misleading decisions, or have misrepresented the position of the company... A record dividend just before implosion. ..then I think... How can that not be misleading? ...the book should be thrown at them, but that is not a decision for me. That is a decision that has to be taken by those that regulate. Should we see a legal case here, be it some kind of class action by shareholders? I think it is something that the insolvency service will be looking at. It is something that the regulators will be looking at. But I... Possible criminal prosecution? Possible? There are grounds for investigation that on the evidence that I have seen. The regulator is looking at any criminal acts, so the Carillion board, however they suppress the horrible truth, ought not to be resting easily in their beds. So far, no senior Carillion manager had dared to question the regime, but that was about to change. Emma Mercer had been at the coalface. She'd seen much more closely how Carillion's finances were going. She was promoted and within six weeks, she was pointing out that the accounts didn't make a great deal of sense. What she was saying is, you know what, we didn't make that money, you know, the cash isn't there. That's the true measure of whether we made the money or not, and you're able to cover up that cash picture quite considerably, and that's what you've been doing. So I think we'd better go and tell the shareholders, you know what, that 845 million that we've made over the last five years? Well, in truth, we haven't. She was the only one who had any sense about what her duty was and what her sense of public duty was, combined with that to the company. As Emma Mercer spoke out about financial recklessness at the company, comfortably retired ex-finance director, Richard Adam, received another quarter of a million pounds of Carillion shares. He sold them on the spot. Carillion's board of directors were now told Mercer had discovered a vast hole in the company's accounts. According to minutes of that meeting, none of them had any idea of the scale of the financial crisis facing the company. If they had oversight, why did they not do something about it sooner? But if they had not known what was going on, then they were not doing their jobs. It's one or the other. It is either they are complicit in this, or they are incompetent. Yet, despite Mercer's warnings, an auditor from KPMG said there was no need to make any public restatements of Carillion's accounts. Chairman Philip Green and the rest of the board agreed. But the thread Emma Mercer had pulled started to unravel the whole Carillion web. Soon, it was discovered that the company's fantasy income was 845 million, and that hole was impossible to hide. We're on our way to an HR leadership conference, so the radio that morning was full of this news. RADIO: Carillion's Chief Executive, Richard Howson, is resigning without a permanent replacement. The company has also issued a profits warning... After years of secrets, the shocking state of Carillion's finances was finally revealed to the public. On the 10th July, we get a profit warning, but not an ordinary profit warning, a profit warning like the City has not seen for generations. 845 million was not there. A profit warning of 845 million is pretty much as big as it gets. A City bloodbath wiped 70% off Carillion's shares in just two days. Government officials say they were taken by surprise and that Carillion misled them. Others weren't so shocked. No surprise. I don't think anybody was surprised in the industry because of all the questions that were being asked over the last few years by the hedge funds in particular, but it came down at the end to cash. Chief Executive Richard Howson had come to the end of the road. But when Parliament issued a scathing report into Carillion, reflecting what our insiders and experts have also said, Howson told MPs they'd failed properly to analyse the evidence and hadn't understood the complexity of the markets in which Carillion works. Howson admits Carillion's debts were too high, but says that after he left, more should have been done to collect money the company was owed. Carillion was now in free-fall, but suddenly a savour appeared with a sack full of taxpayers' cash. NEWS REPORT: The government announced it was awarding a major contract to a construction company in financial trouble. Carillion issued a profit warning and lost 70% of its value, prompting concerns its involvement will cause delays. Barely a week after the catastrophic profit warning, the Government announced Carillion as one of the contractors for the HS2 train line, the first of almost 2 billion of Government work to be announced after the profit warning. The Government says it made sure Carillion worked with partners, who would finish the job if it went bust. Yet, Britain's longest serving Auditor General was appalled. You couldn't have had a better warning to be careful. I asked some colleagues why this was, and I had this answer. Well, a lot of the contracts you've got three collaborators, so if one goes down, there's still two left. But that doesn't get away from the fact that it wasn't a good idea to give it anyway to a company with such a dicey position, in terms of its own money. With almost 2 billion of public money heading its way, few in autumn 2017 thought Carillion would go into total collapse. But the profit warning was just the beginning. Soon, the firm would be forced to confess its cash black hole was even bigger, and a company with hundreds of vital Government contracts would finally head over the cliff. Late 2017. As Carillion reeled from a colossal profit warning, a second shock announcement revealed the hole in the company's accounts was now over a billion pounds. The Government was watching Carillion closely, but what action did ministers take? Carillion had finally been moved up to the red risk category, but now Government officials recommended escalating it to the even higher black category, making it harder for Carillion to get Government work. The company told politicians that would send it bust. The black category is for companies about to go over the brink. It's a way to stop throwing good public money after bad and begin damage limitation. But despite profit warnings, and now the advice of the Government's own officials, ministers still failed to escalate Carillion to the highest category of risk. One of the things that you really need to look at, a simple test, is how much cash has it got and is it paying its suppliers? Well, if you looked at Carillion, an enormous company, I think it had 29 million in cash when it went down. Peanuts. Peanuts. And it was not paying its suppliers, so you could say from this very simple test that there was something wrong with it. Up and down the country, Carillion's 19,000 employees and 30,000 subcontractors waited for news of their money and jobs. We thought well, they're too big to fail. We were talking to our contacts in Carillion and they were saying the word from the business was everything's fine. But the truth was very different. Despite the vast injection of public money, Carillion was still bleeding cash. Things came to a head in January, when Carillion essentially just ran out of money. The cash just wasn't there. So they tried to borrow more money. They tried first to borrow it from the banks, and the banks said no. It was forced to go to the Government and say we need millions of pounds more money. The very fact that the directors thought that just a short term loan from the Government would tide them over just shows how divorced from reality they had become. And that is the real problem, the mind-set of Carillion's management. But it seems Carillion's coffers weren't completely dry. On the brink of collapse the company actually paid out 6.4 million, not to its thousands of subcontractors, but to its well-connected lawyers and accountants. They got their bills paid. Meanwhile, Carillion was begging for a quarter of a billion Government rescue package. The day after the lawyers and accountants got paid, Chairman Philip Green sent a top secret letter to the Cabinet Office. The letter warns that if the Government provides no new funding, Carillion would have no ability to manage the impact on our customers or suppliers or, in the extreme, the physical safety of Carillion employees or the members of the public they serve. Philip Green was telling, or perhaps threatening the Government, that if Carillion wasn't funded, the safety of the British public would be under threat. It was his final roll of the dice. It was very nerve-racking over that weekend. And then on the Monday someone sent me a text at half past seven. The Government said no, they weren't going to cough up any more money. They'd gone under. NEWS REPORT: It's 7 o'clock on Monday the 15th January. The troubled construction firm, Carillion, has been placed into compulsory liquidation with immediate effect. I was absolutely amazed. Nobody realised quite how bad it was. We were expecting the company to be split up, but never at any point did we think it would be put into liquidation. Yeah, that was a big shock. It took the government to say no for the fantasy to finally come to an end. So we found out they'd gone bust at 7.30 in the morning, and we, I, started to let good people go at about 10 o'clock. Some of them I'd known for years and years. I mean, they were not just employees, they were friends. In a small business, you know everybody, you know, people aren't a number here. We know their names, where they live, their kids' names. You feel cheated, particularly in the way that clearly the leadership team within Carillion were operating. In February 2018, Carillion's former directors hung their heads in shame. Could I just say how saddened that I am by all of the events? I am deeply sorry. I, too, would like to say how deeply saddened and how sorry I am. But not a single one of them has handed back a penny of the millions of pounds of pay and bonuses that between them they received from the company. Mr Howson, will you give your bonuses back? No. Emma Mercer had told the truth about Carillion, but lost her job as the company went down. She is a shining example, but even she couldn't pull this crew back from what they were intent on doing, or didn't care what they were doing. I think good on her that she did that. A pity she wasn't in that position many years before. But the recklessness inside Carillion was made possible by a system that failed, from the Pensions' Regulator... There was no real pressure applied to Carillion to make sure that a burgeoning debt in its pensions fund was actually dealt with. ...to the auditors meant to scrutinise the accounts. The world relies on these accountants to make sure that accounts are presented correctly, and if that fails, there's a question mark about whether or not capitalism can be sustained in the way it currently operates. While politicians sent billions more in public funds to Carillion, despite the clear signs the company was in trouble... It was a disappointment and a disappointment that didn't have to happen. ...the Official Receiver says that when Carillion collapsed, its liabilities were up to 7 billion, though the final costs won't be known for years. The firm's record pension deficit will be bailed out by other UK workplace pension schemes. And thousands of smaller businesses have been left with Carillion's debts. We're still here six months down the line, but good people lost jobs, lost their homes. They've known for a number of years that it was built on sand and they hid things. It's deceitful. They went bust owing us around half a million pounds, and I don't think we're really going to see anything of it back. Carillion was founded on bricks and mortar, but this is really a story about two groups of people. On the one side, reckless directors, toothless regulators and politicians who look the other way. On the other, staff who lost jobs, short-changed taxpayers and subcontractors who will never be paid. The tragedy of Carillion is that those firms, those employees were working hard and working for Britain. Their energy and expertise could still deliver some of the best public services in the world. Instead of allowing them to be ripped off while corporate recklessness is ignored, we need a system that scrutinises exactly where billions of pounds of public money's going, otherwise there'll only be more Carillions, and next time, the losses could be even greater. |
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