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Untouchable (2019)
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[ distant voices chatter ] ERIKA ROSENBAUM: I went with no plan, no agent, very little money. I went on a hope and a dream, um, from smalltown Quebec, to, um, to Hollywood. When you're a young actor, you hear stories all the time about people just sort of putting it all on the line and taking the big chance and going out to Hollywood and, and then it happening. KEN AULETTA: Oh my God, how many people know the story of Lana Turner working in a drugstore, or Ava Gardner coming up from the South, you know, being spotted and suddenly they're stars? If you're Harvey and you're a fat kid from Queens, suddenly with power, I don't have to imagine looking up at Lana Turner and Ava Gardner. Maybe I could... have sex with them. RONAN FARROW: He was able to use his power to exploit women's dreams, and that's a powerful thing. ROSENBAUM: When this powerhouse came into my life, I believed that I was seeing the star maker. I thought, maybe this is it, maybe this is my moment, maybe this is my "in." You hear that this happens, right? So I thought it was happening for me. [ cars whooshing ] [ whooshing continuing ] [ radio stations changing ] NEWSMAN [ over radio ]: The Hollywood powerhouse behind some of the world's most famous films, now Harvey Weinstein is apologizing. NEWSWOMAN: It comes as The New York Times details numerous accusations going back three decades. NEWSWOMAN 2: The report details allegations of sexual harassment by a number of women, including employees and some very highprofile actresses. NEWSWOMAN 3: Gwyneth Paltrow, Angelina Jolie, uh, the list of accusers continues to grow. NEWSWOMAN: This just in and it's quite disturbing, another bombshell in the Harvey Weinstein story. NEWSMAN: Three more women are now accusing Harvey Weinstein of raping them. NEWSWOMAN: ...who are among nearly 80 who have accused Weinstein of misconduct. [ indistinct police radio chatter ] [ helicopter whirring overhead ] NEWSWOMAN: Well, as you can see behind me, Harvey Weinstein won't be able to escape the spotlight when he turns himself in not far from his Tribeca office where he ran his media empire. NEWSMAN: These accusations span over his career. How did he get away with it for so long? MAN: Right here, right here. Good, good, good. NEWSMAN: What took you so long to surrender, Harvey? [ reporters shouting questions ] NEWSMAN 2: Mr. Weinstein, this must be very humiliating for you. NEWSWOMAN: It was not the type of paparazzi Harvey Weinstein is used to. Weinstein has repeatedly denied the charges against him. MAN: Down in front! [ crowd shouting indistinctly ] Mr. Weinstein intends to enter a plea of not guilty. We intend to move very quickly to dismiss, uh, these charges. We believe that they are constitutionally flawed. We believe that they are not factually supported by the evidence, and we believe that, at the end of the process, Mr. Weinstein will be exonerated. NEWSMAN: Does he maintain that these relationships were consensual? Mr. Weinstein has always maintained that any sexual activity he engaged in was consensual. Thank you very much. [ reporters shouting questions ] HOPE D'AMORE: He really thinks he's telling the truth when he says he hasn't had unconsensual sex. If he gets what he wanted... no matter what it is, it doesn't take matter what it takes to get there, it doesn't matter. "If I get what I want, it was consensual." I think he believed that. D'AMORE: I was a student at the University of Buffalo. I was studying psychology and philosophy. Someone I knew from college called me and said, "Fleetwood Mac is going to be here," you know, about the... this concert, and, uh, "How would you like to work backstage?" [ bell clanging ] Buffalo was a huge stop on concert tours. Harvey was the biggest promoter in town, so, you had an album, uh, you were going to deal with Harvey. MICKEY OSTERREICHER: I first met him at the University of Buffalo. I was working as a photo editor of the school newspaper. And then as I started to shoot pictures for them, I realized that they were really doing very well and going places. [ distant audience applauding ] DEBORAH SLATER: Harvey was the talent, Corky was the business. Harvey wanted to be known by everybody, to have the control and the fame. It was just that persona of "never take no for an answer." And that was absolutely his way, it was "never take no for an answer." [ rhythmic applause ] [ crowd cheering ] D'AMORE: The first time I met Harvey was at the concert backstage. Everyone was very busy doing different things on phones. I remember him looking at me. Um, I smiled at him, I'm sure. Right from the beginning, he was a very charming guy. You know, he would look at you when he spoke to you with great sincerity. Not someone I I would ever have found attractive physically, but very attractive in the sense that he was a charming person. [ distant audience applauding ] He said, "What do you like doing?" I said, "I love the movies." And he said, "Well, you know, my brother Bob and I "are getting in that business and we're just starting, but if you come to work here, it might be interesting for you." He told me about Miramax. Uh... He told me that they were going to form a company. He was naming it for his parents, Miriam and Max Weinstein, and that was what he wanted to do, not concert promotion. His interest was genuine, and his knowledge was genuine. I love it when I meet people who just love what they do. And to get paid to do something you're interested in? SLATER: Harvey always had aspirations of moving along. You knew that his aspirations for success for the films that he really dreamed of making weren't going to keep him in Buffalo. [ distant sirens wailing ] [ horns honk ] D'AMORE: He was going to go to New York to talk to someone about a film they were trying to distribute. He said, "Why don't you come?" I said, "Sure." I mean, I jumped at it. We stayed at a hotel by Central Park. I was standing in the lobby. It was, you know, kind of, "You wait with the bags, I'll go and check us in." He said, "Well, there was a mistake. There's only one room." And I just, you know, gave him a look and I said, "Well, then you're going to have to sleep on the chair." It didn't seem so I mean, that seemed like a real move, um, on his part, but, you know, the worst I might have thought he would do would, would be to claim that he slept with me when he hadn't. I could live with that. Um... I put on a Tshirt and some shorts or something to sleep in, and I went to bed. Suddenly, Harvey gets into bed naked, next to me. And I said, you know, something, you know, just, "Harvey..." and I just pushed him away. You know he... he tries to cajole at first. "Do you really want to make me an enemy, for five minutes of your time?" I mean... He just, um... He just pushed and pushed and... And then he just, you know, he's huge. I weigh about a hundred pounds, probably weighed about 110 then. Maybe... I don't know how to explain it. I just, I just... thought, if I just shut up... it will be over in a few minutes. I didn't want anything from him. I didn't hit him. I didn't try to scratch his eyes out. [ voice breaking ]: But I said no, and I pushed him away... more than once. And then I just stopped. [ sobs softly ] I was so frightened. I went back to Buffalo. I didn't tell anybody. I knew, he used to say he owned the cops in Buffalo, because they worked concerts, they worked security when they were off duty. You know, he had influence. He had a lot of money. Um, he did a lot of advertising in newspapers. Nobody would have believed anything I said. I wasn't going to go to anybody and complain about that. [ sobs softly ] I mean, it's the, it's the collateral damage that, you know, what it does to relationships, with friends, people you love. And they don't know why. That's... I, you know, it... It just, he It steals something. HARVEY WEINSTEIN: I never liked the music industry. I never liked promoting concerts or any of that. But I always talked about film from the beginning. Throughout the course of my career, and the early beginnings of it, people would always say to abandon your dream. [ siren wailing ] Not to do it, it's not going to happen, it's impossible. You have to believe in yourself. You have to be somewhat tenacious, and you really have to have a conviction. JACK LECHNER: I remember meeting him and thinking, this person can't exist. He's just such a caricature of a Hollywood mogul that hasn't been around for decades. I remember as a kid reading about moguls like Harry Cohn and Louis B. Mayer and thinking it would have been so amazing to work for one of those people. And then, as it happens, I found myself working for one of those people. JOHN SCHMIDT: I went over to Miramax for the job interview to be the chief financial officer. I spent 30 minutes with Bob. And then all of a sudden the door swings open and Harvey walks in, and he goes, "Who's this?" And Bob goes, "This is Schmidt. We're interviewing for the CFO job." And he looks at me and he goes, "You're hired." I liked the fact that, both with Bob and Harvey, you could literally just walk into their office with an idea. And if either of them thought it was a good idea, you would find yourself doing it. "Go figure it out, make it happen." That was exciting. [ indistinct chatter ] BOB WEINSTEIN: To get a film either financed here or acquired at Miramax, it's really a case of me and my brother being the final decision maker. We've picked up so many films and, you know, financed so many pictures based on his approval, my approval, and that was it. There was no three weeks, "Hold on, we've got to go up through the corporate board meeting." That's what we like. HARVEY: At Miramax, we're not under that corporate pressure to say, "Jesus, we've got to go up each year," so we can do what we think is good, and if our profits are lower next year than they were the year before, so what? So what, as long as we did good work? LECHNER: His sense of marketing and promotion was just phenomenal. He was able to do things that no one else was able to do because he was working with extraordinary people on extraordinary projects. He was brilliant. MARK GILL: The movies were extraordinary, the opportunities to make them were extraordinary, and for a time there, Miramax was one of the very few doing it. And changing the way one thought about independent cinema and the stories it could tell and how many people they could reach. And that was an extraordinary thing to be a part of. We were the shit then. Excuse my French. [ chuckles ] I mean, we were. And it was great. One evening... it must have been one of Harvey's assistants said, "On your way into work in the morning, come to the screening room." [ tone beeping ] Lights go down, it's Cinema Paradiso. The end of the film when the little boy becomes the old man and he's sitting in the theater, watching these old blackandwhite films... that really moved all of us. Lights go up, there wasn't a dry eye. Harvey came down one aisle, Bob came down another, and they both looked at us and said, "What do you think?" "What do you mean what do we think, look at our faces. You have to have this movie." And they acquired it. Huge turning point, because it came around the same time as Sex, Lies, and Videotape, My Left Foot, Cinema Paradiso. Those were the three that really changed everything for us. SCHMIDT: In a way, all three films demonstrate the brashness, the confidence, the risktaking, um, many of the things that, that distinguishes Miramax and distinguished Harvey and Bob at the beginning. [ cars whooshing ] HARVEY: I could do what the studios do all day long in my sleep, and my staff could too. The Miramax charter was always to make something new and different, almost like Star Trek , to boldly go where no one had gone before. I'm gonna tell you the secret of Miramax. It's not marketing, not corporate politics, it's the written word. NEWSWOMAN: It seems an odd coupling. Disney the makers of Aladdin, Huck Finn, and Beauty and the Beast has bought Miramax. There's no question that Miramax has been on an extraordinary roll. It's having, you know, the autonomy to make our kind of movies and to have their kind of resources. LECHNER: The success caused Disney to buy Miramax. Disney was just about invisible. The amount of freedom that Harvey and Bob had was unparalleled. And the theory about that was, "They know how to do something we don't know how to do, we should just let them do it." In some ways that was the best time for Harvey and Bob creatively because they could gamble with someone else's money, and gambling was what they were good at. Harvey at his best was charming, funny and amazing at what he did. Harvey at his worst was a monster that you wouldn't want to cross. You had an overlord who lived by the most vicious methods possible in order to instill fear. I mean, we've all had tough bosses, right, in the business from time to time, but over time, this became something worse than that. In a lot of ways, he was tougher on the guys. I've ducked from a couple of ashtrays being thrown at me, one of them that probably weighed five pounds, made out of marble. If you were, uh, in his way, uh, it didn't matter, he was, you know, an equal opportunity abuser. Miramax broke a ton of people. Harvey broke a ton of people. It's just how it was. You either dealt with it or you left. Miramax was built on its energy and its, you know, its, um... you know, its breaking of the rules. And, you know, that's okay when you're doing it in a professional and respectful manner you're breaking the rules in an industry or, you know, disrupting an industry but it's not okay when it's, you know, when it's, uh, harassment, and harassment was, uh, was all over the place. DECLESIS: We sort of knew that Harvey was cheating on his wife, but I think we thought that that was all that was going on, until a little time went past. A young woman, who was a friend of mine, who I had introduced to the company, very smart, very capable, uh, against quite a bit of competition, she landed a job. One day this particular assistant just stopped coming to work. And I didn't know why. So I went and talked to the people that I shared her with, the other department. And they kind of gave me this very whispered story of what sort of kind of might have happened. She had been delivering a script to Harvey at his, uh, his apartment, I guess, in New York, and there was, um, you know, there was a very, um, um, you know, a very bad, uh, incident. DECLESIS: One of the many things I did for Bob on a daily basis was open his mail, and it was not unusual for us to get letters from law firms. We got letters from law firms all the time. This particular letter was not one of those letters. This was a letter stating that "We intend to file suit against Harvey for sexual assault." And I sat there and read it, the whole thing, over and over, three or four times, until I really... I got good and angry. You have a choice to make, I guess. I had a choice to make. You either swallow it, ignore it. I'm not that person, I can't do that. So I walked in and I gave him mail, other mail that he had to have dealt with, it was mail that he had to deal with. And at the end, I handed him the envelope from the attorney's office and said, "And this came too." SCHMIDT: The young woman signed a nondisclosure agreement. There was a cash settlement. It had all happened quickly, in a matter of two or three days. DECLESIS: I left very shortly thereafter. As I walked out of Bob's office, I pointed my finger at him and I said, "I quit, and your brother is a fucking pig." You know, as I look back, I, you know, I can't quite reconcile, you know, myself to just not up and quitting when my friend was abused by him. You know, um, sexually abused. Um, so I live with that, for sure. ZELDA PERKINS: This is me at my first Cannes Film Festival, looking slightly bemused. Harvey and I on a yacht. Me in the office looking about 12. That's quite shortly before I left. When Harvey came to the UK, you'd be with him at the Savoy, where he conducted all his business. As an assistant, you had to go and get him up in the morning, which meant there'd usually be a tussle at the bedside. Um, you know, he showered. He expected you to go... be around when he was naked. He very quickly tried to normalize the situation and just told me I had to get with it and not be such a prissy, and that he didn't have time to worry about my delicate feelings. And, you know, at 23 and your first job, you believe what they tell you. So I was like, okay, well, I'm now in the big league and, yeah, of course. He's... He's really important, he doesn't have time to sort of, you know, do things like wear trousers when he's tired. The first time that he asked for a massage, I was very robust, and, and I was always pretty cheeky and rude back to him, which would make him laugh. And so I didn't feel frightened, but it was exhausting. It was mentally exhausting because you were always slightly fighting, you were always nearly It felt like you were always just keeping your head above water. But it was a very exciting environment to be in. When you were with Harvey, you were going out to dinner with Sean Connery and Leonardo DiCaprio and flying around in private jets. He created an energy around him that made it feel like you were in the center of the universe. I had recently employed an assistant to help me with Harvey. When I was interviewing people, I very clearly said to people, "He will behave inappropriately. If you deal with him robustly you'll be fine," because that was my experience. That evening, my colleague did the night shift. It was her first time with him alone, and he assaulted her and attempted to rape her. Which she told me, uh, the next day. And I think probably was one of the most shattering bits of news I had ever had. Um, so I immediately went and confronted Harvey. He told me nothing, and he then swore on his wife, who was Eve at the time, and his children's life, which to me, I'm afraid, was an absolute admission of guilt because I had heard him only do that as a sort of proper "get out of jail" card, that was his really "I'm in trouble," um, lie. I was pretty panicked because I didn't really know what to do. We had no physical evidence. By the time we were all back in England, she just still didn't want to go to the police, which I completely understand and had to respect. So the day that I resigned, I was bombarded with telephone calls from him and, um, a lot of execs from the New York office. Um, and... I think I had a total of about 17 or 18 messages that night, that went pretty much through the night. I genuinely felt that I might be in danger and I felt that I may need evidence in court. Um, anyway, I'll just let you hear. [ recorder beeps ] AULETTA: I write about the media and communications for The New Yorker. So I try and tell a story through an individual. Uh, in this case, it was a Hollywood story. We decided to profile Harvey Weinstein. I was interested in power, he had power. I was interested in abusive power, and I'd heard tales of his abusive power. I'm just talking about bullying of people, and obviously I'd heard about and witnessed, by watching his movies, some real talent. [ Harvey mouthing "Thank you" ] [ indistinct shouting in distance ] AULETTA: I spent an enormous amount of oneonone time with him, as well as time watching him just being a fly on the wall. In the course of reporting, I came across an incident where a female employee of Miramax, he attempted to rape her. And, um, it was violent. She was frightened. She talked to Zelda Perkins, who was an assistant to Harvey, and Harvey agreed to pay just under $250,000 if they would sign a nondisclosure agreement. PERKINS: At this point, I was trying to work out how to make this okay. And the only way I could make it okay in my mind was, okay, well, we will ask for an enormous amount of money that is indicative of the crime. This payment is going to show how guilty he is. "Dear Zelda, I am writing to set out the agreement relating to the termination of your employment with Miramax Film Corp." What they wanted was pretty simple. They wanted us to never speak about anything to do with Miramax or Harvey or Bob, um, obviously the incident, anything, ever again. But it became pretty sinister when we weren't allowed to discuss this with a therapist. If we spoke to a therapist, the therapist had to sign a confidentiality agreement. If the therapist then broke that confidentiality agreement, we would be held responsible, we would be considered in breach of our contract. It also very clearly stipulates that if there is a civil or criminal case brought, that we have to provide reasonable assistance to help Miramax. You know, we had guns pointing at us from every direction. [ church bell ringing in distance ] Ken Auletta found me in Guatemala. And I remember he called me on my mobile and I was terrified and couldn't speak to him. I genuinely thought I'd end up in jail if I broke my agreement. AULETTA: I believed he had done this terrible thing, and yet I didn't have anyone on the record saying it. I was hearing stories which essentially you could dismiss as rumor, because you didn't have names attached. You need to be able to prove things, and so we had to publish the piece without including Zelda's story. It was very frustrating for me because I knew he was a predator. I knew he was pathological, and I wanted to stop him because I knew he would do it again. ROSENBAUM: I had been connected with this lovely model, and she sort of took me under her wing. She had invited me, uh, to come along to this party, where, um, I sat down to dinner next to Harvey Weinstein, and I did not know who he was at the time. [ indistinct chatter ] [ silverware clinking ] He was very at ease, casually chatting about, uh, family and life in a small town, and he talked passionately about our industry. He talked about it like some, like a film nerd, like somebody who just loved storytelling and who was so proud to be able to do it. By the end of it, he was quite sure that I was going to do very well, he could help me out. [ indistinct chatter ] I really believed that I was seeing this genius who could just spot a Gwyneth Paltrow. We were both leaving and he beckoned me over and said, uh, you know, "I'm not done talking to you. We gotta talk about what comes next." And, uh, he said, "Can you give me a lift back to my hotel?" He asked if I would continue talking upstairs. Uh, he had an office suite. And although it was late, I thought, well, I either say "no thanks" and go home or I take the meeting. So, although I knew there was a risk, I also knew that you take risks when you're young and hopeful and trying to make it in a seemingly impossible industry. You say yes. He no longer seemed to want to talk about work, and he slid, uh, his arm around my waist, as though we were old friends. And he said, "We're cool right? We're friends, right?" And he took his shirt off and suggested I do the same. I told him that I had a boyfriend at home and... and, and he said, you know, "I'm married, it's not a big deal. Everybody does this." And he, you know, he rattled off the names of a few young actresses that had been in recent films of his, as though we were all just friends and this was just part of Hollywood. And it seemed so unlikely that all of these women would have crossed that line to get the jobs that they had. I didn't want to believe that. And so we had a weird... [ sighs ] sort of negotiation about what I was willing to do, and I wanted to just get out. But I was afraid to upset him. And so he laid down on the bed, and I stood on either side of him... and bent down and, and feigned interest in the art of massage. Then I told him I had to go. I had... people waiting for me or something. I made some excuse, and he walked me to the door and acted as though, um... I'd passed some sort of test, and... and he would see what comes up for me. [ sighs ] I was revved up on adrenaline. I felt like I had just escaped a narrow encounter. I should have kept away from him at that point. But I also still really believed in my future. And I had turned him down once. He knew I was not going to sleep with him. And I had every reason to hope that he was just going to help me. I wanted desperately to believe that. KEVIN SPACEY: Juliette Binoche in The English Patient. MEL GIBSON: Anthony Minghella for The English Patient. AL PACINO: And the Oscar goes... to The English Patient. ANN CURRY: Box office prognosis is very good for The English Patient. The film was the runaway winner at the Academy Awards, picking up nine Oscars. Roberto! NEWSMAN: Those Weinstein brothers have done it again, with more wins at the 71st Academy Awards. LECHNER: Harvey was laserfocused on the Oscars. He understood the value of the Oscars, monetarily, to every movie that got an award. Harvey was the first person to marshal a whole team of Oscar specialists. GILL: Five movies a year nominated for best picture out of 600. We had one every year for ten years in a row, not an accident. Harvey Weinstein, Bob Weinstein, God bless 'em. Harvey Weinstein, who believed in us and made this movie... GILL: And so Harvey ended up being thanked more than God. Thank you, Harvey Weinstein. Especially Harvey. SCHMIDT: The throwing of parties, giving gifts to Academy members, the private screenings with the filmmaker or the actor and the actress, a lavish dinner to follow. That was really created by Harvey. GILL: Some people would call it gluttony. You'd see it in Harvey's physique, obviously, but you'd see it also in just everything he did. There was always wanting more. More press, more sales, more good reviews, more movies, more movie stars, more parties, just more, more, more, more, more. I would like to thank Harvey Weinstein. First of all, it's exhausting, and second of all, it tells you something about a hole that is trying to be filled, right, which is it's never good enough. Shakespeare in Love. [ crowd applauding ] SCHMIDT: I think it's very much about power. I think that the sort of arc of Harvey's career is all about the accumulation of influence and power. He thought of himself as the sheriff in town. I mean, he literally called himself that. GILL: The anger and the impulsiveness and the abuse of power are inseparable from the genius. That's the tragedy. HARVEY: I wanna thank Mark Gill and Marcy Granata, who are the, one in two, most dynamite marketing team. And nobody inspires me more than my brother Bob, who is my partner and best friend every day. GILL: If you think about the way the Weinsteins work, it was very much the mafia axiom of "dote on the family and kill everybody else." The most ironic part of all this is that the nastiest fights of all were between Harvey and Bob. LECHNER: The first rule of Miramax is, never get between the brothers. Because they were fiercely loyal to each other, at the same time that they were threatening to kill each other. Harvey was volcanic. We all knew what Harvey was thinking because he would tell you. With Bob, you often never knew what he was thinking. DECLESIS: Bob was more of a simmering soul. [ laughs ] His was more under his breath. Like... [ softly ]: "Don't ask me that question." LECHNER: Bob is much more shy, sometimes socially awkward. At the same time, Bob was more of a real person than Harvey. You know, Bob has actual friends. Bob can just go to a ball game and have fun. Um, Harvey doesn't really have that kind of relationship with anybody. You know, Harvey is always working. He's always, at the very least, working at the job of being Harvey Weinstein. [ train rattling ] HARVEY: I was born in Brooklyn and then I moved to Queens. We went to the rentcontrolled apartment complex called Electchester. And, um, we had a really good childhood and a really good time. DAVE CHANNON: This is Harvey, with the bow tie and the protuberant ears. He looks happy, everybody looks happy. I guess we didn't have the Cuban missile crisis until a few years later. He wasn't very sociable. He was a sort of an outsider and he was never in any of the school plays, or get into sports or anything. He just didn't stand out at all. It really wasn't until sometime in the beginning of college when he got a reputation as obnoxious. The main thing he did that really got on people's nerves was he would go around acting like the Godfather. AULETTA: He was insecure about his looks, about his physical appearance. He thought he was ugly, he thought he was unattractive. Harvey was a guy who, with a chip on his shoulder, who, who felt he was fighting the establishment always. HARVEY: To me, I'm still the underdog. I felt that way when I was young. And sometimes I still feel that way. That's why I like making movies about underdogs. AJ BENZA: He cut a big figure, he made things happen. He scared people, in the same way a gangster would. He wasn't phony, he said what he said. He meant what he meant, like Popeye. GILL: He was trying to prove that he was king of the world, that he wanted to show everybody. And, you know, for a while there, he, at least for, in the independent film world, he was the king of the world. [ band playing "Wheel of Fortune" ] KAY STARR: The wheel Of fortune Goes spinning around... REBECCA TRAISTER: At that period in New York City, there were parties every night. There were parties for perfume launches, there were parties for books, there were movie premieres, there were TV premieres everywhere. The cast of Sex and the City would show up. There were red carpets everywhere, it was a very sort of high party time. KAY STARR: Oh, wheel of fortune... BENZA: The people who run that city, I saw them almost every night. It was not uncommon to see Donald Trump and Harvey Weinstein on the same night, at the same event. Back then, Miramax was a vibrant company with a lot of great projects, a lot of cool celebrities. Everybody wanted to be around it. [ gasps ] [ screaming ] ROSANNA ARQUETTE: That needletotheheart scene in Pulp Fiction: genius. You could say this about Harvey Weinstein, he had really good taste. He made good films. That was fuckin' trippy. [ giggles ] [ Mia gasps ] VINCENT: [ sighing ] Oh, man. He really understood... good material. TRAISTER: What Harvey was doing in the 1990s in New York City is, he was recreating some of the romance of the studio era. It offered the fairy tale that's very connected in the American mythology of how you become a star, how you become an artist. [ fans shouting, cheering ] Many people who have gone to work in the movie industry are drawn there by this kind of fantasy. And Harvey was, like, the path to that. CAITLIN DULANY: Miramax was sort of "it" and Harvey was the guy that was kind of making things happen. The opportunities for actors to do great roles, big or small, were there. What could be more exciting as a young actor? It was an exciting time, yeah. Hi. Paz. Nice to meet you. BENZA: I always imagined, like plenty of people in this industry, that actresses slept with Harvey because it was good for their career, not because they wanted to jump in bed with him because they were in love with him. I just assumed many actresses did that. I don't know, uh, it's just not odd to me. There's no question that Harvey exuded a certain power. Any powerful man in any city, yeah, women were just part of the thing. They come along with the power, they're attracted to the power. It's like putting a light on your porch, you're gonna get a lot of moths. NANNETTE KLATT: I was born with a hereditary eye disease. I don't see anything up, down or to the sides, and it comes with total night blindness. So I've worked really hard not to ever look blind or act blind. I had gotten an audition, was going in to read for a part. He handed me the script and he said, "Do you think you can read those four pages for me?" And I said, "Yes, yes, I would be happy to." LOUISE GODBOLD: Here was I, meeting one of the most powerful men in Hollywood. I felt very flattered, understanding that this was a privilege. I was intimidated by him and his power. I mean, he's a repulsive man, physically, but I saw all these other actresses hanging around him, so I felt like it was something you did. He asked me if I wanted a ride home, and I said okay. DULANY: Harvey invited me out to dinner. It was a wonderful night. Leonardo DiCaprio was at our table. He was lovely. The afterparty would continue at the hotel where Harvey was staying. And then I was... It was just me in the car and that's when I started to feel a little weird, like why... wouldn't I be carpooling with somebody? ARQUETTE: I was going to have dinner with him at the Beverly Hills Hotel and I arrived, front desk, "I'm here to see Harvey Weinstein, and, um, tell him I'll be in the restaurant." "No, Mr. Weinstein said would you go upstairs, he'll meet you upstairs." He said, "Can... I want Can we have a drink upstairs at yours?" And I was too afraid to say no. We went up to my place and things got very uncomfortable, very fast. I was so happy because this, all I could think of is, yes, this is the launching of my career. I am going to be working for a huge major studio, a huge person in the industry, thank you, God. So obviously this is the part that's very hard to talk about, that I haven't talked about that much before. So I'll try, um... I felt, um, maybe like in shock a little bit. Um... and then I was in a situation that I couldn't get out of. "Wait a minute, wait a minute," and he stood up. He said, "One One minute, one minute. I need one more thing from you." He said, "I want to see your breasts," and I said, "I'm sorry, I don't do that." "Oh, I have a stiff neck. Um, would you give me a shoulder massage?" "I can't move my neck," and I said, "Oh, God, that's terrible. "I should get you a masseuse. I have a great masseuse and I'm gonna call them." He disappears into the bedroom. He goes, "No, no, no, no, Rosanna." And he took my hand, andand like he grabbed my hand, and he had an erection, and I went "fuck." Um... backed up and... and he goes, "Rosanna, you're making a very big mistake." "It's your breasts. Do you know who I am?" And I said, "Yeah." And he said, "Do you know who I am?" I did the worst massage ever, and I could see that my massage had actually had more effect than I would have expected. That was when my survival instincts kicked in and I got the heck out of there. He said, "You know, I can make your career or I can break your career. I can make it where you will never work in this business again." And he said, "So show me your breasts." And I said, "No, I don't do that." And then he says, "The building's locked. "You can't get out that way. You can't get out at all unless you go down there." And he pointed past him at the end of the hall, which was a door, a stairwell door. I don't know if anybody is going to answer the door. I don't know if he's gonna come in looking for me. He knows that I have total night blindness. So he knew when I went down that stair, it was totally black, totally, totally, totally black. DE LA HUERTA: He... He pulled my dress up, and I was just terrified. I didn't kick and scream. DULANY: The freeze thing kicks in, like you just want it to be over, and you don't want to be... You're You're worried you're gonna get hurt, you know? When you read about rape, you read, "Okay, well, the girl says screams 'No!' and she kicks and screams and..." But that's not exactly right. The way in which he overpowered me left me no way out. Um, so... So Harvey performed oral sex on me, um... forcibly... um... or... without my consent, um, and I didn't really know what to do, and I was terrified that he was going to rape me. I was really scared of being penetrated, of being... being raped, of having him on top of me, so I just froze. I definitely went somewhere else. DE LA HUERTA: It's almost like I was hovering over my body, and this thing was happening to me. This is happening and then it's going to be over, and then it's... I'm, I'll never, never think of It's just, I'll cut it out of me somehow. KLATT: And there was like a little Hispanic maintenance man, and first thing he asked me, "Are you coming from the fourth floor?" Just, you know, he then he masturbated and... finished. I knew I was going to be in trouble because I didn't participate, I knew it. And then when I tried to tell people, they said, "You better keep your mouth shut." I didn't go to the police because I was terrified he would destroy me, and he would say it was consensual, and he would say that I was a whore and I was lying. DULANY: What I remember is leaving, and at the bottom of the staircase were people that worked for him waiting to go in to see him. I don't know, I don't know what they thought. I don't know what they knew. LAUREN O'CONNOR: I travelled with Harvey quite frequently. And there was this one time where I made a mistake. He said, "You're smart enough to be me and if you don't want to be me, "you're wasting your time. "Why don't you just go marry some fat rich Jewish fuck 'cause maybe all you're good for is making babies." You're an employee, you're not in a position to question your boss's intentions. You know, I would have been fired. When Harvey was meeting with these women, he would send us all away, and we would get summoned back long after these women were gone. My take on these relationships was some sort of agreement had happened. O'CONNOR: There's this knocking on my hotel room door. There's this woman standing there and she's shaking and she's crying. And, you know, so I invite her in and I ask her what's wrong, and it took her a while to start talking, and she tells me, you know, that he had coerced her into giving him a massage, and he didn't listen to her say no. You have to do something. So I filed a complaint that would later be referred to as "the memo." And I hoped that by putting this, putting... the experiences I and others had in writing, the person reading the memo wouldn't be able to look away, that they couldn't unsee or unknow. ABBY EX: I started in publicity, so I saw a lot about how the machine works in terms of burying scandals. The people higher up, closer to Harvey, in a business capacity, were the ones who dealt with the outside lawyers and, um, settlements. DECLESIS: Being complicit doesn't necessarily mean you have to take part in it. By keeping quiet, I believe you're also complicit. Why would you do that? Money. Money power. It's much easier to just go with the flow. You know, keep everything the way it is. Don't rock the boat because everybody's getting a piece of it. AULETTA: When you think about the complicity of the Hollywood community, agents were guilty of that, as were some studio heads, as were some producers, as were some directors and actors and actresses and staffers. [ sighs ] I feel so conflicted about my experience with Harvey. My life is better for having worked with Harvey Weinstein. Those of us who were on the Harvey train got a lot out of it. We were taken to all kinds of amazing places and allowed to do all kinds of amazing things, and now we all feel this survivor guilt for having experienced positive things and now realizing all the negative things that other people were experiencing at the same time. I never experienced Harvey being inappropriate with an actress, but I certainly heard rumors that there were actresses who were sleeping with Harvey to get better roles. There was always a kind of list of people who'd just gotten big roles who got gossiped about. The way the gossip was communicated was, "She slept with Harvey to get that part." It was never communicated as, "Oh yeah, you heard he slept with her." It was always the woman as the person who had done the action. "She blew Harvey, she fucked Harvey, she slept with Harvey to get that part." ROSENBAUM: So a few years went by. I had, I thought, made my peace with what had happened and with how I'd handled myself. And I called every six months, or a year, just to say, "Hello, this is Erika Rosenbaum. "I just wanted to let you know I got a part, "um, and it went really well. Um, you asked me to keep in touch, so here I am." At one point, he was going to be at the Toronto International Film Festival, and he suggested that I take the time to stop in. I had been dealing with a very lovely assistant of his who eventually asked that I meet them, uh, in his room before dinner, because he had to go to a dinner or a screening or something, and, uh, and I would have to be squeezed in. That seemed reasonable to me, despite what had happened. Um, I guess because I had made clear that I was not that kind of actress, whatever that means. The young assistant opened the door. She looked a little flustered. Um, and she left, and she closed the door behind her. He came out of the bathroom and he wasn't wearing any pants. He was wearing a shirt that just covered his hips. And I was very... put off, as you can imagine. Uh, and also just nervous because he was clearly distraught about something that had nothing to do with my presence there. Um, so right away I said, "It's a bad time. "I can see you're on your way out. Let's do this another day." And I backed towards the door, and he got quite annoyed and said, "You're here. Taketake the five minutes and... and let's talk for a second." And he was like, he said, "Come with me," and he asked me to follow him to the bathroom, and I said, "No, no, no, I mean, please, this is not a good time, I'll come back." Um... And he insisted that I stay. And so, although my heart was pounding and... I felt like I was in a dangerous place, I stayed. Because I thought leaving would be worse. I followed him into the washroom. The toilet seat had been broken, like it had been smashed. It was a... a solid toilet seat that had been broken into three pieces, and there was blood on the seat. He asked me to face the mirror and said, "I just want to look at you." And he put his hand on the back of my neck and sort of held me in place, staring at my own face in the mirror, and he started to touch himself under his shirt behind me. And I remember that... like it's a scene from a bad movie. Because it's hard to believe that that was me. But I remember looking at myself in the mirror and seeing him over my right shoulder and I remember staring at him and thinking, if I can just stand still that maybe it would all go away or maybe I would disappear or something. I guess I was just too shocked to move. And I noticed that he had blood on his hand. And I found a way to say that I had to go, and I don't think he finished. [ noisy chatter ] REPORTER: Give us the five seconds! TRAISTER : I was a reporter at a weekly newspaper in New York called the New York Observer. I was interested in the cultural changes happening within Manhattan, and Miramax was at the very center of those cultural changes. HUGO: You've been everything to me, O. To me, you're not my friend, man, you're my brother. And when a brother is wronged, so am I. TRAISTER: Harvey's company, Miramax's brother company Dimension, had made a movie that was an update on Othello. It was called O, and it had a terrific cast of stars that were very popular at the moment, including Mekhi Phifer and Josh Hartnett. I've spent the last few days going over every possible detail, every angle. It had everything about it that should have been released to a great fanfare, but the company was holding it and they were holding it during the presidential campaign of Al Gore and Joe Lieberman. They were running this campaign that had this weird reactionary streak of disapproving of violence in the media. O was a very violent high school drama. HUGO: He soars above us. TRAISTER: The makers of the movie believed that it was being held back because Harvey was so involved in the GoreLieberman campaign. He was hoping that the amount of money that he was giving was going to result in some kind of political payoff. I needed to get a comment from Harvey. So my editor sent me to a party he was hosting to accompany a repor a fellow reporter who was working as a gossip columnist that night. He also happened to be somebody I was dating at the time. [ distant siren wailing ] [ muffled party music playing ] ALEXANDER GOLDMAN: Harvey was throwing a party for a former MTV VJ named Karen Duffy, who went by "Duff." And I remember walking in behind Harvey and his entourage and then going and saying, "Rebecca, you go do your thing." [ lively chatter ] TRAISTER: I walked right up to Harvey with my tape recorder out and said, "I have a question about the movie O ." And he said to me, "Oh, that's my brother's movie, I don't have anything to do with that," and then he walked away. And I thought to myself, "Well, that's a nothing comment, and I don't believe it," but I got the comment, which is what I knew I needed to do in order to be able to publish my story. I was sort of putting my tape recorder away. I'd done the one job I had there that night, at which point suddenly Harvey came back to me, and he said, "You can't use that." I said, "What do you mean?" And he said, "That was off the record." He started to grab for my tape recorder. I just pressed "record" and held it up to his face, and that enraged him more. And then the temperature in the room turns, and all of a sudden I see something go off in Harvey, and I see like, you know, initially some maybe gesticulating, and then I hear him yelling at the top of his lungs, "Who let this fucking cunt into this party?" And then he was sort of half screaming at me and half screaming at the rest of the room, "Get this cunt out of here, this cunt shouldn't be here! This What is this bitch doing here? Who let this bitch in?" This man is screaming at the top of his lungs at a 23yearold woman who's asking a very reasonable question about his movie, and he's calling her a "cunt." The thing that scared me was that it felt like anything was possible. Like there was no norm and no rule that was gonna say this is gonna end okay. And my colleague and boyfriend, Andrew, came over and said, "Harvey, Harvey, I'm here to talk to you. "I'm, I She came with me. "I'm the reporter who's assigned to talk about this party. I want to hear about Karen Duffy." And I kind of went... [ pants ] I... remember I got our bags, put my bags, put the bags over the shoulder [ laughs ], and I looked at Andrew and I was like, "Wrap it up, we're gonna go, time to go." And then I stopped, and I was like, this is absurd. I said, "Harvey, we have treated you well. "You have no right to call somebody like that that name in front of these people. You can't do that." [ whispering ]: No, I don't need an apology, we need to leave. [ normal voice ] And what happened was, as soon as Andrew said, "You owe her an apology," he went it's like the switch flipped back. He said... [ tape player clicks on ] [ Harvey speaking ] [ tape player clicks off ] And it's at that moment he looks down and I think he sees that my recorder is going, and he realizes that I've just got like the money quote of all time. TRAISTER: He started screaming. He pushes him down the couple of steps and Andrew falls backwards. And everybody I think is aghast, looking like, what the hell is The host of the party is like wrestling with some junior reporter over a tape recorder, and we go back and forth, and he's intent that he's gonna get this thing, and I'm like, I'm not going to let him get this tape recorder 'cause it has the best quote ever. He grabs Andrew and pulls him through the party, out the glass door, onto Sixth Avenue in Manhattan, and puts him in a headlock and starts pounding the top of his head. A crowd has gathered around us and it's like, you know, this schoolyard fight or something, and I just remember how surreal it was. I was thinking to myself, can this possibly be re Does Harvey Weinstein really have me in a headlock? The flashes are going off, and there are a million pictures being taken. How can this not be the cover of, you know, the New York Post, the New York Daily News? I mean, it was like the money sh It's the shot that any tabloid editor would be dreaming of. Think about it, who wouldn't put that on the cover? [ door squeaking ] TRAISTER: I never saw a photograph from that night. I've never to this day. I haven't seen a photograph, and I know there were hundreds taken. This is like... magic. This is like, you know, Tinseltown magic. My editor in chief, a man I deeply respected, said, "Do not offer comment on this, Rebecca. Harvey's never going anywhere," he said. "Harvey's Russia, don't write about it." The lesson I learned was... as great as a line as, "I'm glad I'm the fucking sheriff of this shit ass fucking town" is, it doesn't work unless you really are the sheriff, and he was at that point. He... He could do anything. And no and no cars, no nothing. Otherwise, never any of my shit ever. Okay? Or I'll fucking be all over your asses. Get outta here. Go. PHOTOGRAPHER: All right, have a good night, man. If I see one car, me and Bob De Niro will take care of it but good. PHOTOGRAPHER: Have a good night, man. You'll never work in this town. You'll never sell a fucking photograph anywhere. PHOTOGRAPHER: All right, man. NEWSWOMAN: Mickey Mouse divorcing a longtime partner. Disney parting ways with Miramax cofounders Bob and Harvey Weinstein. While the Weinsteins are walking away with $140 million and the Dimension Films label, they'll have to give up Miramax. KIM MASTERS: They lost that name, which meant something to them: "Miramax," Miriam and Max. It was a huge loss. They lost that library of films that they had created. That's their legacy. When you sell, you know, you lose your power. They're not the first ones to sell in Hollywood and live to regret. HARVEY: So this begins the path to our new exciting venture without mom and dad's name. We still own the name "Dimension" and, and if anybody can come up with a better name than the Weinstein Company, we're all ears. [ chuckles ] Nothing's better than the Weinstein brothers, so the name is great. I mean, that company, they were much diminished and they were trying to sort of commit more to television. They were in trouble and everybody knew it. SCHMIDT: After they left Disney, they went through something like 1.2 billion dollars that was bank money and bonds and investments from investment banks in New York, and, uh, that writing was on the wall. FARROW: I was working on a story about the dark side of Hollywood. It was gonna be an anthology of different issues, from race to sexual harassment. In the course of my reporting, I began to find the stories came back over and over again to one guy. Harvey Weinstein was known to be a bully, but very quickly when you scratched the surface of those bullying charges, you started to hear stories about sexual misconduct as well. And I realized, wow, this is a huge, huge story. So it's my incredible honor to present this award, uh, to Planned Parenthood's Champion of the Century, my friend, my heroine, Hillary Rodham Clinton. [ loud cheering ] TRAISTER: I was writing about Hillary Clinton after the 2016 presidential loss in the spring of 2017. And... I saw Harvey for the first time in years. I almost couldn't believe, this guy who had been so familiar to me. And I thought, your power is waning. Like, your power is on the downswing, but you're still... working it. You're still wielding it, whatever power you have, you're here. What are you doing here? But then I was looking at him with all these powerful women, feminist women. You're putting your money toward protecting yourself, positioning yourself as a feminist, positioning yourself as an ally to powerful women. This is all part of what your deal is and how you've managed to suppress all this. I just stopped thinking that my story or the evidence from it was ever going to be important to anybody because nobody was ever gonna win against this guy. FARROW: When I first started, women thought it would never emerge, let alone emerge and have an impact. One of the striking reoccurring themes in my conversations with sources in this story was just how terrified they were of things that sounded like movie plots. Spies following them, infiltrating their ways into people's lives. And, as I myself started getting strange and threatening calls, this was the absolute truth. SOURCE: I think for years Harvey Weinstein had heard that certain actresses and certain people in the industry might go on record and try and accuse him of anything from sexual assault to harassment and bullying, and it was a kind of fire fighting exercise in, on a low level, go after one person and get them to sign an NDA. [ wind whistling ] But in 2016, he'd obviously got wind of something much bigger. There was now a coalition of people coming together, willing to go en masse on record. That's why he enlisted a whole army of people, whether journalists, whether lawyers or intelligence firms, 'cause he knew this was the big one. FARROW: Harvey was indeed using an array of highpowered private investigation firms, most exotically, uh, a firm predominantly run by former members of the Massad, called Black Cube. [ papers rustling ] SOURCE: This is the original contract between Black Cube and Harvey Weinstein's law firm. And "The primary objective of the project is to identify the entities "behind the negative campaign against the Client and support the Client's efforts to put a stop to it." This is the list of targets drawn up by Harvey Weinstein of people he suspects might be cooperating with the negative stories about him, and this is a profile drawn up by Black Cube, uh, profiling Rosanna Arquette. "The Client suspects that Rosanna is involved in the campaign "being waged against him by disseminating fictitious allegations about him to media sources." FARROW: This was an extraordinarily expensive operation. You're talking about lawyer after lawyer at the highestpaid echelon of the legal profession, and they're hiring, in turn, the priciest private investigation firms in the world. The Black Cube contracts alone ate up hundreds of thousands of dollars. Harvey Weinstein was placing all of his resources into stopping these women and the reporters looking at the story. Harvey and his private investigators and lawyers expended a lot of energy digging up photos of him looking friendly with women after alleged assaults. This is a particularly nasty tactic to try to discredit women, when the fact is, it is a very typical feature of sexual assault that women are photographed in a friendly context with their alleged attacker afterwards. Very often people bury their trauma and they keep working and they keep on walking those red carpets. [ reporters shouting questions to Paz ] DE LA HUERTA: You put on a happy face, but inside you're dying. It made me feel like I had to reclaim my sexuality all over again. So I wanted to do photo shoots where I could feel beautiful and take it back, take back what I believe he stole from me. Some of the other women might look at me and think, "Something's wrong with her." Like, "Harvey could use that against her," or something. I wanted to feel desirable again. People knowing that this pig had violated me, that this monster had been inside me. [ distant siren chirping ] FARROW: I was being told, "You still need more women, these women are crazy, you need more credible women," over and over and over again, no matter how many women were saying this had happened to them. REPORTER: Harvey Weinstein. [ Harvey speaking indistinctly ] FARROW: I had to move out of my home. I was being followed. I had many of the same agents that went after these women coming after me. Harvey Weinstein was inundating my representatives with legal threats. I wondered whether I would be able to get it over the finish line or whether I would let down all of those women who had done this incredibly brave thing trying to expose this. So, it was a tremendous breakthrough moment to hear Harvey Weinstein on that NYPD recording. [ tape player clicks on ] [ Harvey and Ambra Gutierrez speaking ] [ tape player clicks off ] FARROW: Once I had that recording in hand, it was clear to me that I couldn't stop. There was a smoking gun here. So I went to Ken Auletta, a wonderful writer at The New Yorker. AULETTA: Ronan Farrow, who I did not know, called me up in the spring of 2017, and he said, "I've read your 2002 profile on Harvey. Let me tell you what I'm doing." He said to me that he had eight witnesses, people who were willing to go on the record. That's great. I mean, I could not do that. And he had the police tape from Ambra. HARVEY [ on tape ]: Please come in. I'm a very I'm a famous guy. GUTIERREZ: I'm feeling very uncomfortable right now. HARVEY: Please come in now. HARVEY: And in one minute. And if you wanna leave when the guy comes with my jacket GUTIERREZ: Why yesterday you touch my breast? HARVEY: Oh, please, I'm sorry, just come on in, I'm used to that. FARROW: I think the moment the New Yorker team heard that audio and understood the number of testimonials that we had about this, they said, "Okay, let's go to the mat. Let's get as much as we can together as fast as we can." AULETTA: I would call Ronan or email him, I'd say, "What are you doing? WhWhy isn't this story out?" And he said, "Well, we're still working on the story," and then I hear that The New York Times is doing a story. MEGAN TWOHEY: We had been working around the clock for days and weeks and had barely slept. You know, when you are so thick deep in a, an investigation and you're right about to finally publish the story, you can really lose sight of what you've got and what the reaction is gonna be to it. JODI KANTOR: Our biggest fear over the summer was not of Harvey Weinstein or of the paid spies he used on us or about the efforts at intimidation. It was the fear of failure and the fear that we were going to fail to get the story, and we were going to have to live with this knowledge off the record for the rest of our lives. People were really scared to talk. Instead there was this kind of miasma of rumors. There were public jokes in pop culture. Congratulations. You five ladies no longer have to pretend to be attracted to Harvey Weinstein. [ laughter ] Oh please, I'm not afraid of anyone in show business. I turned down intercourse with Harvey Weinstein on no less than three occasions out of five. REPORTER: Do you have any advice for a young girl moving to Hollywood? O'CONNOR: I am a 28yearold woman trying to make a living and a career. Harvey Weinstein is a 64yearold worldfamous man and this is his company. The balance of power is me: zero, Harvey Weinstein: 10. When I wrote my memo, it was because I didn't feel as if I had a choice. You know, when the memo was leaked and subsequently published in The New York Times, what I couldn't imagine or have conceived of was the impact it had. ROSENBAUM: I read it... I think with my jaw on the floor. They were outlining the experiences of these women as though they were writing about me. And I couldn't believe that they were telling the story. The fact that these women had the guts to tell the story after all this time, and for sure they weren't the first to try, and the machine had squashed the story. I can't tell you what it means to me to see it coming into the light. [ radio stations changing ] NEWSMAN: Producer Harvey Weinstein is facing multiple sexual harassment accusations that span 30 years according to The New York Times. The Times reporting that the Miramax cofounder has reached eight settlements with various accusers. NEWSWOMAN: In a statement, Weinstein says he came of age when rules about behavior were different. He says he knows he's caused a lot of pain and sincerely apologizes. D'AMORE: I don't think he'll ever get it. I don't think people like that change. They say that about child molesters, they say it about rapists. They don't change, he just got better at it. He just got bolder and because he was more powerful was able to get away with it with more women and in... in more obvious ways. MAN: Hold on, hold on. What are you doing here? REPORTER: I'm media. NEWSMAN: One of the most powerful men in Hollywood has been fired, effective immediately, by the board of the studio he cofounded. I'm hanging in there. I'm trying my best. REPORTER: Thank you, man. NEWSMAN: Weinstein's wife announced last night she was leaving him in the light of the allegations. REPORTER: We're glad to see you're doing okay. Guys, I'm not doing okay. REPORTER: You're not? But I'm trying. I gotta get help, guys. You know what, we all make mistakes. Second chance I hope, okay? REPORTER: No problem. HARVEY: Thanks, guys. You know what, I've always been loyal to you guys. Not like those fucking pricks that treat you like shit. I've been the good guy. REPORTER: Have a good one. HARVEY: Thank you. REPORTER: Hope you feel better. HARVEY: Thank you. REPORTER: Get some help, man. HARVEY: Thank you. PROSECUTOR: We're happy with where the investigation is right now. We have an actual case here. NEWSWOMAN: The former movie mogul surrendering to police in New York City amid a throng of reporters and cameras. TWOHEY: There were so many things that had helped protect him for so long, and today in the court room it really felt like those layers of protection fell away. KANTOR: These are not individual experiences, they're collective experiences. There's a pattern here and starting today, he answers to the same system of justice as the rest of us. ROSENBAUM: I watched Wonder Woman on the flight over here... to try to feel heroic [ laughs ] even when I didn't. Chris Pine has this great quote and he says, um... If you see something wrong happening in the world, you can either do nothing or you can do something... and I already tried nothing. And I went, "Oh yeah, that's perfect." [ chanting ] NEWSWOMAN: In the midst of a scandal, two powerful words are flooding social media. Women across the country are identifying themselves as victims of sexual harassment in the wake of Hollywood mogul Harvey Weinstein's downfall. The Harvey Weinstein story has helped people understand that there's a really powerful argument for speaking up. SCHMIDT: I don't think anyone could have foreseen that this would spawn a worldwide movement. It's a different world. It's a better world. EX: What's relatable is how power structures like this exist so other people watching can relate into their lives, because if we could do it in Hollywood, you know, people can do it anywhere. It's the David and Goliath story. The little guy can take down the big guy, that is totally possible. ARQUETTE: This is a revolution, so go fuck yourselves. You know, how dare you. And we are not going to be silenced. we will not be silenced. There's no question, no question that Harvey's behavior was monstrous and that he, of course, should be facing legal repercussion. But there is a way, when you pick out the most grotesque and then you fire them, maybe you send them to jail, maybe you banish them from their industry, and then there's the sense that, "Okay, we've taken care of the problem." Just, you know, locking up an individual isn't going to solve the problem, and the most sinister aspect of all of this is that the system enabled it, you know, um, and still enables it. There are going to be hundreds of these cases happening around the country in lots of different industries. And these women are going to be attacked. Undermined, discredited. That's absolutely going to happen. FARROW: It's easy to forget just how recently it seemed impossible to talk about Harvey Weinstein. There is a Harvey Weinstein in every industry, and there are people who are still vastly powerful and around whom people are still terrified to tell the truth. So after this interview, I'll go back to struggling with brave sources to see if they're willing to take that risk of putting their name on tough stories. That challenge still goes on every day for people facing abuse all over the world. DE LA HUERTA: It's not over. It continues. |
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